No payment info gives no traffic

Please remove the possibility for no payment info on file accounts to help any place get traffic. That will help with the lag and reduce the number of camping chairs. Some sims might decide to ban them but since there are many who are hired as employees (and thus have Lindens to spend) that won't be that bad.

And please don't tell me that then the traffic wont be accurate, when you go to a place and see 20 avatars on camping chairs and 2 awake that's not what I call accurate.

Interesting idea. Not sure how landowners would react... but still, interesting.

I suggested something like this a year ago when they first started talking about getting rid of dwell - I suggested having THOSE counts based in a "premium traffic" count, without changing the precious total traffic. I've suggested it several times since then. It would have been a better solution to people abusing dwell and the DI than killing them.

And, yes, this would be a better solution to people abusing the raw traffic counts now. Here's hoping you get enough people going "YES YES" to get Linden attention.

I might prefer some sort of server-side idle detection that logs a user after a certain amount of inactivity, that was harder to game than the current implementation.

And I say this because at a guess probably 25% of my sales are to unverifieds.

Still, if I was reasonly assured that it would get rid of camping chairs, I would readily give up that 25% of sales.

Most mainland parcel owners would probably love it. Mainland casino owners with 40 permanently occupied camping chairs on a 2048+ plot in the corner of a sim would probably hate it, however.

Would it really work though? Plenty of verifieds camp.

Annoyingly.

[Edit: I forgot to add: Yes! Yes! This totally has my support. ]

i second this one

there is no way for unverified people to get money outside of jobs, luck at events, camping, and theft. if camping of unverified people is no longer linked to traffic, there would be no reason for a land owner to continue using these systems. Unless they have banned unverified people from their land, anyone can use the chairs. So let's see it straight, land owners pay camping fees to generate traffic and if they cannot do so, I think they will cease to utilize it.

Other things will be affected as well. Free and inexpensive events and games like slingo, tringo, ect ect and live music all add fun to sl especially for those who are brand new (as well as anyone else enjoying it) or have little money. I met alot of great people this way when I first started and still do. If unverified people did not count in the traffic, it would be difficult to determine, through search, which places are the most busy for these kind of events and probably have something happening at the time the search is made. Like the camping systems, some of these places might possibly pull events or games.

Additionally, those unverified people who have jobs may be let go because (if this were to go through) now they do not contribute to the traffic and the owner will only hire verified accounts because this does affect traffic and production.

While I can appreciate the frustration of being in laggy sims where only a small corner is being utilitzed for camping by some ambitious owner, and there is probably a lot of abuse for money farming and traffic raising, the over all impact, in my mind, will further cause a rift of classes and cause an impact on the over all economy. The popular list would be insane, though I avoid those places with a passion and seldom look at that tab. The auto log out would suck for those of us with kids or other things that call us away. Sometimes when I'm at live shows, I turn up the speakers and mill about the house doing chores because I don't have a cd of that musician but I don't want to have to sit here at the pc.

I would prefer to see land owners put that camping dollar into possibly a search dollar. eg.. similar to the classified, the owner could pay more to promote his/her place on search at some integer * traffic. So if their traffic was 10k and they paid to be higher on the list, it would boost them in search by 15% or something (just choosing numbers arbitrarily) Then places could have a chance at competing for traffic without becoming so laggy no one can enjoy the space. The rest of us will have to generate traffic the old fashioned way through word of mouth and advertising. I know I can't lay out the big bucks like some of these classified places do lol (hence the integer multiplier and not a straight addition)

Shouldn't the 'events' tab be used for this sort of search? You can see there which places have ongoing event along the lines you're searching for, and quickly verify on the map how many people are present there at the moment.

The OP idea is quite interesting, though maybe alternative would be to simply break current traffic into two separate stats: number of unique visitors in last 24 hours, and average time spent on the parcel. Would possibly make it easier to filter out places filled with the same zombies sitting on their spots day after day for hours... o.O

you're correct as far as the events go, it should be. I often forget about that tab unless Im really bored and then to weed through all the commericals. But if unverified people do not count for traffic, then maybe there will be less events or games? I don't know the answer, but I can forsee it happening though maybe not as widespread as discontuing camping. I think the unique traffic would be a great feature option. I'm for almost anything that provides more insight into what a place actually is and does.

I like this idea, many people come to shop or grab items from a store but don't stay the predetermined length of time and head out, thus getting a sale, but no help from thier visit in visibility.

Make ALL people have a limit on how much trafic they can contribute to a specific land place.

Sure someone will make a sensor list maker that will detect who has been there and how much time, And place them on a list and every time after witch they try to sit the chair will kick them back up so they cant contribute no more, but that is there own choice.

Dwell is gone, what you refer to is traffic.

All I know is there needs to be a fix for all these campers.

Restricting "no payment info of file" people will only hurt the reseller. They may not have payed account but they still buy stuff and help the economy.

This is already a part of SL, but people use anti-idler devices to get around it.

Actually, it's a client side test. It's based on keyboard and mouse input.
Turn on debug, Client -> Character -> Character Tests -> X Go Away/AFK when Idle
Uncheck that and the client doesn't even bother anymore.

And besides, it's easy enough to code a program that gets around even a server-side test. You fake keyboard and mouse input.

That's one of the advantages, yes.

I agree that doing this whle making it possible to distinguish verified from unverified users is a problem, the problem is the fact that distinguishing verified and unverified users is possible. Or rather, that Linden Labs has made it a necessity.

Traffic tells us about how many were on a given land the day before. You can use it for SLingo, for shopping, going to dance in a club, or even when you want to rent a shop to consider if you should rent or not this spot. Also, Search places returns only the 100 most frequented places for your search, so a place will be invisible from Search Places if it is not in the top 100.

So, when you are looking for something, you don't want to see the afk campers counted in traffic. Most shops don't use camping chairs anymore because of Lucky Chairs, which is a smart way to get traffic.

This is not against unverified accounts, if you prefer you could ask Linden to remove traffic completely and replace it by vote boxes, but then it would no longer be traffic but popularity.

Why not after all? Traffic rules over SL, Linden Labs should give us more ways to find what we want, other than traffic and classified.


And kalik, please look at this thread, camping chairs are explained very well in it:

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This is outdated because it was posted before Developper Incentive have been removed and also because most shops got rid of camping chairs to use Lucky Chairs and Mob Vendors but still it's worth reading.

There's a nice little "next" button to see the next 100+ (it's cut off at 100, 200, 300, etc)

thanks for the link to that looong insightful thread. honestly, camping chairs dont bother me except they produce lag. I see alot more of these than I do lucky chairs though, and camping gives a specific commodity as lucky chairs do not. (and those stupid lucky chairs never seem to be on k when I see them haha)

I have pretty decent traffic from events. it rarely coorelates with sales, but then Im in sl for fun and social aspect with a little creativity on the side not to quit my day job. I would rather spend money for events than campers anytime. But again, I like the interaction.

making a flat case against people not counting is a division of classes that just seems like a horrific idea to me. the original intent, as I understood it, for disallowing non-verified people onto your land was to prevent griefing.

It seems that I am reading a large amount of frustration that people cannot compete with a place that has tons of campers all night and day. Thats very true and frustrating. Thats capitalism for you. Anyone with enough money and pull can overtake the small independant businesses. There is no balance of power and even if there were, it would quickly be adapted to and changed.

so, I say yes to more traffic statistics about places, no to banning camping chairs (unless you own the sim) because it doesnt seem to matter really anyways, and perhaps to other ways of investing advertising dollars into traffic counts so the playing feild can be somewhat level.

I think the "traffic" count should be abandoned in favor of a voting system. I don't believe that camping zombies make a place "popular"; it just means the place has more chairs out. A voting system would be more fair, as avies of all payment classes would count, and large and small businesses would compete on an even playing field.

I, personally, only use the traffic count to tell me which places to AVOID. The higher the numbers, the bigger the lag. Some of those places lag so bad I have been stuck for more than fifteen minutes unable to move. Not my idea of a fun time. So I look for places that are much further down the list. If there are few zombies and people are talking and greeting visitors and having fun, I will ask them where their voting booth is. (Or I will make a tip/donation to rewad them.)

I don't think eliminating a certain class from traffic stats is the answer. I think the whole system should be thrown out and bring in a voting system.