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Marker Dinova

I eat yellow paperclips.

Join date: 13 Sep 2004

Posts: 608

11-25-2005 05:45

Wouldn't it be cool to have an external IM client with which we could interact with our SL friends? It doesn't have to be a grounds-up development, just allowing the user server to interact with some third party IM client...

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The difference between you and me = me - you.
The difference between me and you = you - me.

add them up and we have

2The 2difference 2between 2me 2and 2you = 0

2(The difference between me and you) = 0

The difference between me and you = 0/2

The difference between me and you = 0

I never thought we were so similar

Del Mauriac

The exception to the rule

Join date: 18 Nov 2005

Posts: 52

11-25-2005 05:53

Especially if it were web based ....

It might stop work interrupting my SL time!

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[left] Me: If a tree falls down in the middle of a forest and there's no women around, is it still a mans fault?
God: It depends on the kind of tree.
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Sidra Stern

Second Life Resident

Join date: 18 Oct 2004

Posts: 73

11-25-2005 06:59

This question comes up at least once every month.... for more than a year now, since I have been on SL. There are some third party ways to get IMs to your email address and for you to be able to send email to your friends bypassing being on SL. But as I said, this is not a messenger tied to your buddy list.

For some reason, the Lindens don't feel this is an important feature to be worked on. I also asked for this a year ago. The email to email feature is a good half way measure, but it is not the an IM client seperate from the sl program. Maybe they don't want people outside of SL using a messenger tied to your buddy list?

Sitearm Madonna

Registered User

Join date: 6 Oct 2005

Posts: 535

11-25-2005 12:39

@Marker: I heard there was once a "cell phone" service that did this. Very popular for awhile but passed on in popularity. Had to pay for it of course. Pesky cell phone charges... (not a REAL cell phone, still text messaging, but skirted the sl server in the middle.. before my time here in sl)

From: Marker Dinova

Wouldn't it be cool to have an external IM client with which we could interact with our SL friends? It doesn't have to be a grounds-up development, just allowing the user server to interact with some third party IM client...

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... software packages, acting in society... life creating, and accepted, and widely... spread throughout the world... freeing, liberating... allow... each person individual control and decision making... to create living structure... wherever they are. / Christopher Alexander, 1996

Torley Linden

Enlightenment!

Join date: 15 Sep 2004

Posts: 16,530

11-25-2005 13:03

Something odd about SL is lack of better bidirectionality when it comes to communication... YET. This would be one of the most foremost examples.

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Power Quirk

Second Life Resident

Join date: 17 Oct 2004

Posts: 8

11-26-2005 04:34

Convince SL to allow two-way XML-RPC calls to the localhost (only), and you can have all this and more.

Argent Stonecutter

Emergency Mustelid

Join date: 20 Sep 2005

Posts: 20,263

11-26-2005 09:20

From: Power Quirk

Convince SL to allow two-way XML-RPC calls to the localhost (only), and you can have all this and more.

How about just allowing a *reply* to the XML-RPC call you send to the object? That wouldn't be usable for flooding XML sources (even spamming llGetOwner()) but it would give you two-way communication. To make it even more efficient, you could get some data in the same TCP transaction: the script would set up a "status" packet that would be sent as the response to the next XML it gets.

Aurael Neurocam

Will script for food

Join date: 25 Oct 2005

Posts: 267

11-26-2005 14:27

Gawd, I HATE THE XML FORMAT. It's too wasteful of resouces, and it's completely unnecessary.

Why not just allow us to send arbitrary data packets? If I want to send a 12-byte string, then by the gods, open a port and push out 12 bytes!

Or am I asking for too much? It seems like overkill to have to parse through a bunch of XML formatting to get to the data I want, and if I'm sending a lot of data back and forth, I ether have to encode things in some weird way, or I have to send lots of XML packets... all very wasteful.

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Sitearm Madonna

Registered User

Join date: 6 Oct 2005

Posts: 535

12-14-2005 06:06

@Marker: gawd I can't believe it but I am now trying the in-world cell phone service thang.. as if IM's weren't enough.. it's called now um.. (rummages through INV.. pesky INV.. dammit where did I oh.. there it is.. ) "Nexcom".

From: Marker Dinova

Wouldn't it be cool to have an external IM client with which we could interact with our SL friends? It doesn't have to be a grounds-up development, just allowing the user server to interact with some third party IM client...

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... software packages, acting in society... life creating, and accepted, and widely... spread throughout the world... freeing, liberating... allow... each person individual control and decision making... to create living structure... wherever they are. / Christopher Alexander, 1996

chad Statosky

Nexcom CEO

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

Posts: 66

12-15-2005 14:46

Nexcom is still around, version 4 should be expected soon and it will allow aim, msn, icq, sms, and irc communication. Also its a fully customizable phone with lots of features.

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Nexcom - Connecting People.

"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones." - John Cage

"For a list of all the ways technology has failed to improve the quality of life, please press three." - Alice Kahn

DoteDote Edison

Thinks Too Much

Join date: 6 Jun 2004

Posts: 790

12-15-2005 17:33

Step 1: Create an IM account with Yahoo, AIM, etc... using your SL name (unlikely to have been taken)

Step 2: Run a multi-IM program such as Trillian in the background along with SL

Step 3: Communicate with your SL friends

Personally, I don't want anyone to have the ability to conatct me regarding SL if I'm not using SL at the time - either in-world or here at the forums. But, that could be covered by an 'allow external IMs' checkbox in prefs.

I must be the odd person who doesn't want everything under one roof, and doesn't want all his services combined via one entity. I still have a 'true' component theater system, I have separate utility providers, I have Dish Network for 'cable' channels, an over-the-air HD antenna for local channels, and a cable modem for internet. I've never understood why folks are so willing to allow one company to provide all of their needs when there are equal or better options available.

Maybe I don't understand the need to make something possible, which is already possible.

External SL IM client
Marker Dinova I eat yellow paperclips. Join date: 13 Sep 2004 Posts: 608	11-25-2005 05:45 Wouldn't it be cool to have an external IM client with which we could interact with our SL friends? It doesn't have to be a grounds-up development, just allowing the user server to interact with some third party IM client... _____________________ The difference between you and me = me - you. The difference between me and you = you - me. add them up and we have 2The 2difference 2between 2me 2and 2you = 0 2(The difference between me and you) = 0 The difference between me and you = 0/2 The difference between me and you = 0 I never thought we were so similar
Del Mauriac The exception to the rule Join date: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 52	11-25-2005 05:53 Especially if it were web based .... It might stop work interrupting my SL time! _____________________ [left] Me: If a tree falls down in the middle of a forest and there's no women around, is it still a mans fault? God: It depends on the kind of tree. [/left]
Sidra Stern Second Life Resident Join date: 18 Oct 2004 Posts: 73	11-25-2005 06:59 This question comes up at least once every month.... for more than a year now, since I have been on SL. There are some third party ways to get IMs to your email address and for you to be able to send email to your friends bypassing being on SL. But as I said, this is not a messenger tied to your buddy list. For some reason, the Lindens don't feel this is an important feature to be worked on. I also asked for this a year ago. The email to email feature is a good half way measure, but it is not the an IM client seperate from the sl program. Maybe they don't want people outside of SL using a messenger tied to your buddy list?
Sitearm Madonna Registered User Join date: 6 Oct 2005 Posts: 535	11-25-2005 12:39 @Marker: I heard there was once a "cell phone" service that did this. Very popular for awhile but passed on in popularity. Had to pay for it of course. Pesky cell phone charges... (not a REAL cell phone, still text messaging, but skirted the sl server in the middle.. before my time here in sl) From: Marker Dinova Wouldn't it be cool to have an external IM client with which we could interact with our SL friends? It doesn't have to be a grounds-up development, just allowing the user server to interact with some third party IM client... _____________________ ... software packages, acting in society... life creating, and accepted, and widely... spread throughout the world... freeing, liberating... allow... each person individual control and decision making... to create living structure... wherever they are. / Christopher Alexander, 1996
Torley Linden Enlightenment! Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 16,530	11-25-2005 13:03 Something odd about SL is lack of better bidirectionality when it comes to communication... YET. This would be one of the most foremost examples. _____________________
Power Quirk Second Life Resident Join date: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 8	11-26-2005 04:34 Convince SL to allow two-way XML-RPC calls to the localhost (only), and you can have all this and more.
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	11-26-2005 09:20 From: Power Quirk Convince SL to allow two-way XML-RPC calls to the localhost (only), and you can have all this and more. How about just allowing a reply to the XML-RPC call you send to the object? That wouldn't be usable for flooding XML sources (even spamming llGetOwner()) but it would give you two-way communication. To make it even more efficient, you could get some data in the same TCP transaction: the script would set up a "status" packet that would be sent as the response to the next XML it gets.
Aurael Neurocam Will script for food Join date: 25 Oct 2005 Posts: 267	11-26-2005 14:27 Gawd, I HATE THE XML FORMAT. It's too wasteful of resouces, and it's completely unnecessary. Why not just allow us to send arbitrary data packets? If I want to send a 12-byte string, then by the gods, open a port and push out 12 bytes! Or am I asking for too much? It seems like overkill to have to parse through a bunch of XML formatting to get to the data I want, and if I'm sending a lot of data back and forth, I ether have to encode things in some weird way, or I have to send lots of XML packets... all very wasteful. _____________________
Sitearm Madonna Registered User Join date: 6 Oct 2005 Posts: 535	12-14-2005 06:06 @Marker: gawd I can't believe it but I am now trying the in-world cell phone service thang.. as if IM's weren't enough.. it's called now um.. (rummages through INV.. pesky INV.. dammit where did I oh.. there it is.. ) "Nexcom". From: Marker Dinova Wouldn't it be cool to have an external IM client with which we could interact with our SL friends? It doesn't have to be a grounds-up development, just allowing the user server to interact with some third party IM client... _____________________ ... software packages, acting in society... life creating, and accepted, and widely... spread throughout the world... freeing, liberating... allow... each person individual control and decision making... to create living structure... wherever they are. / Christopher Alexander, 1996
chad Statosky Nexcom CEO Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 66	12-15-2005 14:46 Nexcom is still around, version 4 should be expected soon and it will allow aim, msn, icq, sms, and irc communication. Also its a fully customizable phone with lots of features. _____________________ Nexcom - Connecting People. "I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones." - John Cage "For a list of all the ways technology has failed to improve the quality of life, please press three." - Alice Kahn
DoteDote Edison Thinks Too Much Join date: 6 Jun 2004 Posts: 790	12-15-2005 17:33 Step 1: Create an IM account with Yahoo, AIM, etc... using your SL name (unlikely to have been taken) Step 2: Run a multi-IM program such as Trillian in the background along with SL Step 3: Communicate with your SL friends Personally, I don't want anyone to have the ability to conatct me regarding SL if I'm not using SL at the time - either in-world or here at the forums. But, that could be covered by an 'allow external IMs' checkbox in prefs. I must be the odd person who doesn't want everything under one roof, and doesn't want all his services combined via one entity. I still have a 'true' component theater system, I have separate utility providers, I have Dish Network for 'cable' channels, an over-the-air HD antenna for local channels, and a cable modem for internet. I've never understood why folks are so willing to allow one company to provide all of their needs when there are equal or better options available. Maybe I don't understand the need to make something possible, which is already possible.

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