Second Life Forums Archive - Tree based linking

Kalleb Underthorn

Registered User

Join date: 30 Jul 2003

Posts: 40

08-03-2004 23:37

Currently, the prim linking operates on a completely child / parent relationship. What I would like to see is a child / sibling / parent system, this wouldn't even nessessarly affect the current system, but rather add another dimension to it.

(Parents would be come a first simbling, and then on)

Example

Old System (numbers being link numbers)

CODE


Box-1
Cylinder-2
Sphere-3

New System

CODE


Box
...Cylinder
   ...Sphere
...Prism
   ...Torus
Tube

Linked Numbers from Box:

Box: 1
Tube: 2
Cylinder: 3
Prism: 4

Linked Numbers from Cylinder:

Box: -1
Cylinder: 1
Sphere: 2

Essentially: Index siblings first, then children, with the immediate parent being -1, next parent being -2, etc...

I guess I'm just a fool for tree structures, but that's just me. I would love to see the lindens implement some form of scene graph rendering too, but I think this is about as good as we are going to get for now, if we get this at all.

If this has already been sugested, please feel free to flame me.

Tiger Crossing

The Prim Maker

Join date: 18 Aug 2003

Posts: 1,560

08-05-2004 07:34

This has been asked for numerous times (included a few times by me)... But not recently, so:

I support this product and/or service.

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~ Tiger Crossing
~ (Nonsanity)

Taun Patel

Geothermal Madman

Join date: 5 Mar 2004

Posts: 222

Supported!

08-07-2004 11:19

Drool. Makes me think of how linking works in Illustrator. I despise that we cant link 2 linked groups together and unlink them and have the original 2 groups still linked.

I support this product and/or service as well!

Azelda Garcia

Join date: 3 Nov 2003

Posts: 819

08-08-2004 05:06

Obligatory plug

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Taun Patel

Geothermal Madman

Join date: 5 Mar 2004

Posts: 222

08-08-2004 08:48

Yes ... but will it work on a Mac/X11 ??? I only see binaries etc for PC

Azelda Garcia

Join date: 3 Nov 2003

Posts: 819

08-08-2004 09:26

Well... I only have a Windows box so the binaries are only in Windows, but in theory the code will compile, with a little nudging, on linux/Unix.

The code runs over the following libraries/engines which are reasonably platform-independent:
- OpenGL
- GLUT
- SDL
- wxWidgets
- Python
- pthreads
- MySQL database engine
- ODE physics engine
- Lua scripting engine

Azelda

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Neil Protagonist

FX Monkey

Join date: 11 Jul 2003

Posts: 346

08-09-2004 14:28

I've been asking for this for over a damn year. I fully support this feature, damn near every 3d package on the market supports this, its not difficult, so add the shit already. Please.

*hugs* we loooooves you Linden Labs.

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Derek Tesla

Nerf herder

Join date: 12 Aug 2003

Posts: 19

10-21-2004 11:48

Bringing this to the top, I support this completely. This would bring some interesting things for vehicle builders and sky platform builders.

Tiger Crossing

The Prim Maker

Join date: 18 Aug 2003

Posts: 1,560

10-21-2004 11:56

It would also allow objects with different permission sets to be linked then unlinked and not be tainted by each other's permissions in the process.

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Huns Valen

Don't PM me here.

Join date: 3 May 2003

Posts: 2,749

10-22-2004 00:05

This would be pretty marvy. Might be somewhat useful if we ever get multiple joints.

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Hiro Pendragon

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Join date: 22 Jan 2004

Posts: 5,905

10-22-2004 00:42

This would be nifty from a developer's perspective.

But what about from a performance issue perspective? I can imagine a myriad of different algorithms that can be used by Havok, scripts, and rendering.

I think we need a peek into the back-end algorithms to really discuss how and if this is possible, else I'm happy to say I support the idea of doing this, and leave it to Linden Lab to see how it can be done.

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Beatfox Xevious

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Join date: 1 Jun 2004

Posts: 879

10-22-2004 00:45

The product service solidly it is supported in the way. Shining !! Let's !!

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Dee Firefly

Dreaming Dragoness

Join date: 30 Jul 2004

Posts: 315

10-22-2004 04:05

Yes please - I'd like to see this too !

In fact when I first began building, as a newb I just assumed that this was how linking would work (like 2D drawing packages I have used) and only found out my error when unlinking - and all my planned hierarchies turned out not to exist

Zuzi Martinez

goth dachshund

Join date: 4 Sep 2004

Posts: 1,860

10-22-2004 08:42

i'm another one who assumed linking worked like grouping in every single program i've ever used in my life.

please let us link two or more linksets and have them back good as new when we unlink. all the other programs get together and laugh at SL after school cause of this.

Tree based linking
Kalleb Underthorn Registered User Join date: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 40	08-03-2004 23:37 Currently, the prim linking operates on a completely child / parent relationship. What I would like to see is a child / sibling / parent system, this wouldn't even nessessarly affect the current system, but rather add another dimension to it. (Parents would be come a first simbling, and then on) Example Old System (numbers being link numbers) CODE Box-1 Cylinder-2 Sphere-3 New System CODE Box ...Cylinder ...Sphere ...Prism ...Torus Tube Linked Numbers from Box: Box: 1 Tube: 2 Cylinder: 3 Prism: 4 Linked Numbers from Cylinder: Box: -1 Cylinder: 1 Sphere: 2 Essentially: Index siblings first, then children, with the immediate parent being -1, next parent being -2, etc... I guess I'm just a fool for tree structures, but that's just me. I would love to see the lindens implement some form of scene graph rendering too, but I think this is about as good as we are going to get for now, if we get this at all. If this has already been sugested, please feel free to flame me.
Tiger Crossing The Prim Maker Join date: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 1,560	08-05-2004 07:34 This has been asked for numerous times (included a few times by me)... But not recently, so: I support this product and/or service. _____________________ ~ Tiger Crossing ~ (Nonsanity)
Taun Patel Geothermal Madman Join date: 5 Mar 2004 Posts: 222	Supported! 08-07-2004 11:19 Drool. Makes me think of how linking works in Illustrator. I despise that we cant link 2 linked groups together and unlink them and have the original 2 groups still linked. I support this product and/or service as well!
Azelda Garcia Azelda Garcia Join date: 3 Nov 2003 Posts: 819	08-08-2004 05:06 Obligatory plug : _____________________
Taun Patel Geothermal Madman Join date: 5 Mar 2004 Posts: 222	08-08-2004 08:48 Yes ... but will it work on a Mac/X11 ??? I only see binaries etc for PC
Azelda Garcia Azelda Garcia Join date: 3 Nov 2003 Posts: 819	08-08-2004 09:26 Well... I only have a Windows box so the binaries are only in Windows, but in theory the code will compile, with a little nudging, on linux/Unix. The code runs over the following libraries/engines which are reasonably platform-independent: - OpenGL - GLUT - SDL - wxWidgets - Python - pthreads - MySQL database engine - ODE physics engine - Lua scripting engine Azelda _____________________
Neil Protagonist FX Monkey Join date: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 346	08-09-2004 14:28 I've been asking for this for over a damn year. I fully support this feature, damn near every 3d package on the market supports this, its not difficult, so add the shit already. Please. hugs we loooooves you Linden Labs. _____________________ "Control the things you can control, maggot. Let everything else take a flying fk at you, and if you must go down, go down with your guns blazing." -Cort Need fire? Visit my FX Store in Bisque(232, 4 Sick-N-Wrong Like Anime? Visit Nakama!
Derek Tesla Nerf herder Join date: 12 Aug 2003 Posts: 19	10-21-2004 11:48 Bringing this to the top, I support this completely. This would bring some interesting things for vehicle builders and sky platform builders.
Tiger Crossing The Prim Maker Join date: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 1,560	10-21-2004 11:56 It would also allow objects with different permission sets to be linked then unlinked and not be tainted by each other's permissions in the process. _____________________ ~ Tiger Crossing ~ (Nonsanity)
Huns Valen Don't PM me here. Join date: 3 May 2003 Posts: 2,749	10-22-2004 00:05 This would be pretty marvy. Might be somewhat useful if we ever get multiple joints. _____________________ [ huns? \|\| words \|\| 1TBS KREW \|\| VHI Aircraft \|\| Whitepaper on Aircraft Physics ] Make yourself and your objects immune to llPushObject().
Hiro Pendragon bye bye f0rums! Join date: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,905	10-22-2004 00:42 This would be nifty from a developer's perspective. But what about from a performance issue perspective? I can imagine a myriad of different algorithms that can be used by Havok, scripts, and rendering. I think we need a peek into the back-end algorithms to really discuss how and if this is possible, else I'm happy to say I support the idea of doing this, and leave it to Linden Lab to see how it can be done. _____________________ Hiro Pendragon ------------------ http://www.involve3d.com - Involve - Metaverse / Emerging Media Studio Visit my SL blog: http://secondtense.blogspot.com
Beatfox Xevious is THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE Join date: 1 Jun 2004 Posts: 879	10-22-2004 00:45 The product service solidly it is supported in the way. Shining !! Let's !! _____________________ My Beatworks: Zephyr Chimes wind chimes, the KanaMaster Japanese kana tutor, and the FREE Invisibility Prim Public. Look for them at the Luskwood General Store in Lusk (144, 165). "You have been frozen. You cannot move or chat. A pony will contact you via instant message (IM)." - mysterious system message I received after making off with Pony Linden
Dee Firefly Dreaming Dragoness Join date: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 315	10-22-2004 04:05 Yes please - I'd like to see this too ! In fact when I first began building, as a newb I just assumed that this was how linking would work (like 2D drawing packages I have used) and only found out my error when unlinking - and all my planned hierarchies turned out not to exist
Zuzi Martinez goth dachshund Join date: 4 Sep 2004 Posts: 1,860	10-22-2004 08:42 i'm another one who assumed linking worked like grouping in every single program i've ever used in my life. please let us link two or more linksets and have them back good as new when we unlink. all the other programs get together and laugh at SL after school cause of this.

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