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Pat Murphy

The Wandering Wizard

Join date: 2 Dec 2002

Posts: 142

02-10-2003 19:38

As a scripter I need more communication between scripted objects. I need to be able to IM other objects from a script, and I need an incoming IM event.

Anybody agree?

Lindens, is this possible?

-Pat Murphy

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Shebang Sunshine

Royal PITA

Join date: 3 Dec 2002

Posts: 765

02-10-2003 20:01

Wouldn't llSay on any channel other than 0 be the same as an IM between two objects?

Oh, unless the objects are too far away from each other to be able to talk?

How bout if the non-zero channels had a further reach than 0 does? Incrementally, so if 0 has a reach of 10m, channels 2 through the highest numbered channel you can have would have a reach of channelNumber * 10m ?

Nah... IM's prolly an easier way to do it. Carry on =)

#!

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Wednesday Grimm

Ex Libris

Join date: 9 Jan 2003

Posts: 934

02-11-2003 07:10

From: someone

Originally posted by Shebang Sunshine

How bout if the non-zero channels had a further reach than 0 does? Incrementally, so if 0 has a reach of 10m, channels 2 through the highest numbered channel you can have would have a reach of channelNumber * 10m ?

#!

Objects can llShout on non-zero channels, which has a helluva range.

(I measured, it's exactly one helluva)

Xavier VonLenard

Registered User

Join date: 21 Nov 2002

Posts: 273

helluva = 100 Meters

02-11-2003 07:24

Tested this with my sensors and as usual BBC was correct. So the official Lindenburg helluva unit = 100 meters.

- Shout = 100 meters

Xav

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Pat Murphy

The Wandering Wizard

Join date: 2 Dec 2002

Posts: 142

02-11-2003 10:05

Believe me, chat won't work, even llShout doesn't have that big of a range, I want world-wide, cross server communication, just like the IM system works, only between 2 objects instead of between 2 people. And it should work the same in that you send it to the object by Key.

ps. I'd really like to get a Linden's comment on this. It seems like they've been showing up less and less in the forums. I wonder if their focus is moving more towards stability and less towards feature adding.

-Pat Murphy

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That's how they showed their respect for Paddy Murphy
That's how they showed their honour and their pride;
They said it was a sin and shame and they winked at one another
And every drink in the place was full the night Pat Murphy died.
-Great Big Sea

Wednesday Grimm

Ex Libris

Join date: 9 Jan 2003

Posts: 934

02-11-2003 11:42

From: someone

Originally posted by Pat Murphy
Believe me, chat won't work, even llShout doesn't have that big of a range, I want world-wide, cross server communication, just like the IM system works, only between 2 objects instead of between 2 people. And it should work the same in that you send it to the object by Key.

It seems clear to me that you need a communications relay satelite.

Orrey Stone

Huh?

Join date: 5 Dec 2002

Posts: 42

02-11-2003 13:39

--It seems clear to me that you need a communications relay satelite.
Hmm - I think this would be doable - but expensive in number of objects - might be fun

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Ama Omega

Lost Wanderer

Join date: 11 Dec 2002

Posts: 1,770

02-11-2003 14:28

I had been toying with the idea of a P2P network of sorts in game.

Creation of a Global Communications Network would be a nice demonstration of that.

Philip Linden

Founder, Linden Lab

Join date: 18 Nov 2002

Posts: 428

02-19-2003 20:08

We're still listening Pat!

Yeah this would be nice - noted.

Rhaegys Nyak

Blood of the Dragon

Join date: 7 Feb 2005

Posts: 43

03-01-2005 02:23

How would it be implemented this communications relay satelite?

Harris Hare

Second Life Resident

Join date: 5 Nov 2004

Posts: 301

03-01-2005 15:02

One kludgy way might be to get land owners in each sim to place a public shout repeater on their land. Each one would be written to send a special hidden shout out to its next neighbor. If properly placed and configured, the grid could in theory send a shout across the entire continent to any listening objects assuming shouts travel across sim borders.

The bad side to all this is that you have to find at least on person in each sim to host a repeater. More importantly, the overall grid could create additional load to every sim if they are constantly shouting and listening. There would also likely be a delay as the message travels across the continent and islands would be totally cut off. Finally, if someone uses one of the network channels, their message may get sent twice.

All in all.. probably more trouble than it's worth.

DoteDote Edison

Thinks Too Much

Join date: 6 Jun 2004

Posts: 790

03-01-2005 17:30

From: Philip Linden

We're still listening Pat!

Yeah this would be nice - noted.

Philip, it's been 2 years and 10 days! Where are you?

This is holding me back from a project I've wanted to do since September. Yes, I could use XML-RPC, but isn't the point to do it within SL? I need one of the following:

1) Worldwide object-object communication, or
2) The ability to assign a key to a single prim/notecard. I would rather pay LL US$10/month for 10 unique, assignable keys.... than to pay the same US$10 to an outside host for XML-RPC purposes.

Olmy Seraph

Valued Member

Join date: 1 Nov 2004

Posts: 502

03-01-2005 18:43

Cory Linden had an interesting comment in this thread

/invalid_link.html

about using a persistent storage scheme as shared memory for inter-object communications. While I usually think shared memory systems are wonky, it would sure be a lot better than shout-repeater networks. Cory's not-quite-a-proposal is the most detailed response I've seen from Lindens on this topic.

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DoteDote Edison

Thinks Too Much

Join date: 6 Jun 2004

Posts: 790

03-01-2005 21:40

Wow, I like Cory's idea! I only need a tiny portion of memory, <16kb, and speed isn't a big issue for me.

IM between objects
Pat Murphy The Wandering Wizard Join date: 2 Dec 2002 Posts: 142	02-10-2003 19:38 As a scripter I need more communication between scripted objects. I need to be able to IM other objects from a script, and I need an incoming IM event. Anybody agree? Lindens, is this possible? -Pat Murphy _____________________ That's how they showed their respect for Paddy Murphy That's how they showed their honour and their pride; They said it was a sin and shame and they winked at one another And every drink in the place was full the night Pat Murphy died. -Great Big Sea
Shebang Sunshine Royal PITA Join date: 3 Dec 2002 Posts: 765	02-10-2003 20:01 Wouldn't llSay on any channel other than 0 be the same as an IM between two objects? Oh, unless the objects are too far away from each other to be able to talk? How bout if the non-zero channels had a further reach than 0 does? Incrementally, so if 0 has a reach of 10m, channels 2 through the highest numbered channel you can have would have a reach of channelNumber * 10m ? Nah... IM's prolly an easier way to do it. Carry on =) #! _____________________ -- Gravy: the new ice cream.
Wednesday Grimm Ex Libris Join date: 9 Jan 2003 Posts: 934	02-11-2003 07:10 From: someone Originally posted by Shebang Sunshine How bout if the non-zero channels had a further reach than 0 does? Incrementally, so if 0 has a reach of 10m, channels 2 through the highest numbered channel you can have would have a reach of channelNumber * 10m ? #! Objects can llShout on non-zero channels, which has a helluva range. (I measured, it's exactly one helluva)
Xavier VonLenard Registered User Join date: 21 Nov 2002 Posts: 273	helluva = 100 Meters 02-11-2003 07:24 Tested this with my sensors and as usual BBC was correct. So the official Lindenburg helluva unit = 100 meters. - Shout = 100 meters Xav _____________________ llSqrt(69) = Eight Something
Pat Murphy The Wandering Wizard Join date: 2 Dec 2002 Posts: 142	02-11-2003 10:05 Believe me, chat won't work, even llShout doesn't have that big of a range, I want world-wide, cross server communication, just like the IM system works, only between 2 objects instead of between 2 people. And it should work the same in that you send it to the object by Key. ps. I'd really like to get a Linden's comment on this. It seems like they've been showing up less and less in the forums. I wonder if their focus is moving more towards stability and less towards feature adding. -Pat Murphy _____________________ That's how they showed their respect for Paddy Murphy That's how they showed their honour and their pride; They said it was a sin and shame and they winked at one another And every drink in the place was full the night Pat Murphy died. -Great Big Sea
Wednesday Grimm Ex Libris Join date: 9 Jan 2003 Posts: 934	02-11-2003 11:42 From: someone Originally posted by Pat Murphy Believe me, chat won't work, even llShout doesn't have that big of a range, I want world-wide, cross server communication, just like the IM system works, only between 2 objects instead of between 2 people. And it should work the same in that you send it to the object by Key. It seems clear to me that you need a communications relay satelite.
Orrey Stone Huh? Join date: 5 Dec 2002 Posts: 42	02-11-2003 13:39 --It seems clear to me that you need a communications relay satelite. Hmm - I think this would be doable - but expensive in number of objects - might be fun _____________________ T.A.N.S.T.A.A.F.L.
Ama Omega Lost Wanderer Join date: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 1,770	02-11-2003 14:28 I had been toying with the idea of a P2P network of sorts in game. Creation of a Global Communications Network would be a nice demonstration of that.
Philip Linden Founder, Linden Lab Join date: 18 Nov 2002 Posts: 428	02-19-2003 20:08 We're still listening Pat! Yeah this would be nice - noted.
Rhaegys Nyak Blood of the Dragon Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 43	03-01-2005 02:23 How would it be implemented this communications relay satelite?
Harris Hare Second Life Resident Join date: 5 Nov 2004 Posts: 301	03-01-2005 15:02 One kludgy way might be to get land owners in each sim to place a public shout repeater on their land. Each one would be written to send a special hidden shout out to its next neighbor. If properly placed and configured, the grid could in theory send a shout across the entire continent to any listening objects assuming shouts travel across sim borders. The bad side to all this is that you have to find at least on person in each sim to host a repeater. More importantly, the overall grid could create additional load to every sim if they are constantly shouting and listening. There would also likely be a delay as the message travels across the continent and islands would be totally cut off. Finally, if someone uses one of the network channels, their message may get sent twice. All in all.. probably more trouble than it's worth.
DoteDote Edison Thinks Too Much Join date: 6 Jun 2004 Posts: 790	03-01-2005 17:30 From: Philip Linden We're still listening Pat! Yeah this would be nice - noted. Philip, it's been 2 years and 10 days! Where are you? This is holding me back from a project I've wanted to do since September. Yes, I could use XML-RPC, but isn't the point to do it within SL? I need one of the following: 1) Worldwide object-object communication, or 2) The ability to assign a key to a single prim/notecard. I would rather pay LL US$10/month for 10 unique, assignable keys.... than to pay the same US$10 to an outside host for XML-RPC purposes.
Olmy Seraph Valued Member Join date: 1 Nov 2004 Posts: 502	03-01-2005 18:43 Cory Linden had an interesting comment in this thread /invalid_link.html about using a persistent storage scheme as shared memory for inter-object communications. While I usually think shared memory systems are wonky, it would sure be a lot better than shout-repeater networks. Cory's not-quite-a-proposal is the most detailed response I've seen from Lindens on this topic. _____________________ Some people are like Slinkies... not really good for anything, but they sure bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
DoteDote Edison Thinks Too Much Join date: 6 Jun 2004 Posts: 790	03-01-2005 21:40 Wow, I like Cory's idea! I only need a tiny portion of memory, <16kb, and speed isn't a big issue for me.

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