Require TOS aggreement in order ot participate in forums.

I just read that people aren't required to agree to the TOS in order to participate in the forums. I think what I was reading might have been referring to agreeing to the new changes. This is an oversight that LL needs to correct.

Why? Is there some substantive change in the newish ToS that someone is violating and therefor wish they needed to adhere to? If so what is this perpetrator doing (in broad nameless terms)? Or is this just an academic point.

The reason I ask is that addidng a click through ToS to thw forums would require labor that might be better spent elsewhere. Did not the former ToS say that the ToS was subject to change without notice (honest question here, I really don't know nor have I the old one). Thanks.

Forum guidelines for forum, TOS/community standards for in world..

Is the way I've always thought of it...

Certain parts of the TOS & CS specificly restrict posting to forums.

For example you cannot share (post) IM chat logs without permission from all parties because it would be an invasion of privacy under federal wire tapping laws.
Or posting exploits in the client.

Someone who objects to the new TOS and says they are not going to be using Second Life anymore as a result said they can post in the forums without regard for the rules because they don't have to click through to post in the forums. That's what motivated my post.

The forums are for use by members of Second Life. If you aren't willing to agree to the terms of service you are rejecting membership in Second Life and should not be able to use the forums any longer.

The people who would make the changes to the website to implement the click through aren't likely to be the programmers working to make the SL program more reliable.

*rereads forums guidlines*

You need to reread the Forum Guidelines. Second bullet of the section "Specifically".

Actually, what they said was that they refuse to click through the agreement, but that clicking through the agreement wasn't required to participate in the forums. At this point, they're right.

If they haven't canceled their account, they're an active member even if they never log into Second Life, so they have as much right to be present on the forums as anyone else.

Nowhere in the thread to which you are referring does the person of which you speak say they can participate in these forums 'without regard for the rules'. Perhaps you should read a little more closely.

I have read the forums guidelines.

My reading them again will not have any effect at all on the the person who claims they are not bound by the TOS because they have not clicked the agree button.

These forums are intended to be private forums, for people who are members of Second Life. Those who refuse to agree to the TOS aren't members anymore. They chose to end that membership by their refusal. They have no right to post in the forums, regardless of the contents of their posts. The words in the Forum Guidelines don't stop them from continuing to post. They need to be prevented from posting if they won't agree to the TOS.

There should also be clickthroughs for the community standards and the forum guidlelines.

Sure, LL should totally ban anyone who isn't logging into SL regularly.

Got to love the smell of politics. Or something. (shrug)

I fail to see the reason why someone who is posting with in the guidelines should be removed from the forums. If they aren't a problem, whats the problem?

The SL forums are in no way private. Historicly anyone could read them. You can find them in the internet archive, and the google cache. They are restricted to protect the general public from any mature content that might be within.

but, if you're zoning in on stuff that you perceive to be violations of the tos... outside of federal laws (must be enforced to prevent lit against the company), but within the domain of ll's written rules (but that they have either been negligent, unable or unwilling to enforce themselves), then they might be allowing for a stance of "agree to let folks disagree" in such instances.

it's -gotta- be hard as hell for, what, only 25 people to monitor the actions of a possible 10,000 folks (presuming that many are sporadically active in-world and in-forum), eh?

and, -really-... how many of us really bother to read line-by-line, let alone word-for-word, all of our software agreements? just scroll t'the bottom and click 'ok'... 'yah, yah, whatever, -let me in!!!-' (all of us assuming we're 'good citizens'... some of us having more or less of an idea than others...

I'm guessing that someone who has "support gridwide government" in their signature probably has a prediliction for controlling others (not that there's necessarily any thing wrong with that...).

Clicking through isn't required for the TOS to apply to your account. Whether or not you've clicked or even read the new TOS, or the old TOS, your account is still bound by the TOS. Even if you never visit any LL website, or the SL virtual world ever again in your life, the TOS still applies to your account as long as it remains an account.

I think some people are confusing the TOS with a contract. The TOS is not a contract. It does not have to be approved or signed by you, the end user, to be in effect.

From the TOS:

Untrue. At this point, the ONLY item from any EULA that is determined to be legally binding upon consumers is the language dealing with binding arbitration (Ref: Mythic vs Blacksnow).

The rest hangs in limbo until someone makes it past arbitration into an actual court of law.