Real Privacy In Sl!

Okay, I've had it.

This new attempt at destroying our privacy in SL: BustedInSL.com is the last straw.

LL: WE NEED PRIVACY.

Here's a simple way to do it: if you ban someone from your land, your land and everyone in it will be invisible to that person. Likewise, that person will be invisible to you while on your land. They can still fly through or over the land, but they simply don't see anything on the property,and they can't build.

A system like that would create a real feeling of privacy and security in SL for those people who now feel completely exposed. LL's current policy of "theere is no privacy" simply shouldn't be allowed to stand.

WHO'S WITH ME? REAL PRIVACY IN SL!

VOTE URL: http://secondlife.com/vote/vote.php?get_id=1932

This is one of the two best ideas I've seen for improving privacy in SL.

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

stop , you said the words REAL, SL, PRIVACY

you are banned.

I have an existing proposal (1632) that includes this idea, and has over 400 votes, though your idea is more tightly focussed.

I (most respectfully) would question whether this is a good idea. If the feature were added, pretty soon everyone would be closing down access and visibility on their land. Then there's just lots of us playing our own little private games. You may as well go and play something different because you will not be a real participating member of the community.

Just the fences are becoming a real pest when you are simply trying to fly around.

I think there is a danger you could cut yourselves off and in doing so not benefit from some of the genuinely nice people you occasionally meet at random.

Why do you think that?

This would allow you to do things like splitting off a small portion of your land and make that private, while leaving most of it open. That would let people if they want to actually increase the access to their land while retaining privacy. By putting the root prim of "structural" objects outside the zone, you could even do things like having a room... or even your whole house... invisible, but with a roof over it so it's not obviously access controlled to people outside.

I personally prefer the "parcel basements" model, but this could be almost as good.

No matter how you look at it someones going to complain. Lets just do something and not look back. We need privacy and i'm willing to kill someones in-world experiance to get it. So what if joe smith can't see your house. If i wanted him to, i would invite him.

Heres another idea. Instanced Rooms! As soon as you enter a designated divided part of your parcel, if your on the access list you will be TPed to a new area cut off from all people (2 way TP so you don't get stuck there). Not a sim, just a small area of like 50x50x50, with a prim limit fit for that size. The surroundings will be darkness so you can add fake sky if you want.

Whatever we do we need privacy without having to leave SL to get it. Sometimes we like to have a little bit of mature 1 on 1 action. Yes its not a f*cking crime alright!!! Just because Jesus Christ over there doesn't do it doesn't mean we can't. Get a life! And close the drapes...

This is very close to my version of the parcel basements proposal.

If they'd implement llTeleportAgent you wouldn't need to have "magic volumes", you'd make a teleport with a negative "Z" by an object owned by the parcel owner (or an Owner of the parcel owning group) move you into the 'private' version of the parcel. llRegionOffset() would be the same X and Y but "Z" would be offset by -1024, you'd have the same ground, but the parcel boundary would be a complete and utter void. It would be the same parcel otherwise, and prim limits would be shared between the two versions of the parcel.

true true hehe.

If you and your land are invisible as well as any friend on your land will your chat be invisible too or could others still read it? I would love some privacy when getting changed . I wonder if they havent done any of these things because it would cause lag or other major problems? There simply has to be a way to make a room private to all peeping whether deliberate or accidental also when a home is still rezzing you can see inside and see the occupants too.

Elinah

Argh, it's a difficult problem : choosing between privacy settings per parcel and privacy settings in special 'zones'.
On the one side, doing access restrictions at the parcel level is easier to understand, and the framework for it already exists. On the other hand, I don't want to have to carve up my parcel into lots of little parcels (thus decreasing my traffic) in order to get privacy.

I like the idea of 'privacy zones'... but personally, I'd suggest we do it on a per-parcel basis.
Reasons :
1) We know LL are busy, and so we have to make privacy as easy to put in place as possible. Basing it on parcels is faster than the alternative because the framework for parcel-level access controls already exists in SL.
2) Having lots of little 'privacy zones' with added options such as teleporting people around... areas, boxes.... it can all get pretty complex in some cases. Imagine a 'first land' sim with these 'privacy zones' floating all around the sim in the sky.... be hard to fly through. Someone else proposed the idea for privacy zones at a fixed height. I'm not a fan of that - I want the freedom to have privacy on the ground, too!

So yeah, privacy controls on a per-parcel basis.
Simply :
1) making it so nothing rezzes for you/one on parcels you/one does not have access to.
2) preventing interaction between avatars/their_scripts and avatars/objects on parcels they have no access to.

I'm not entirely sure my idea is the best. Other people have come up with some clever stuff. I'm just suggesting this because :
1) it's simple (less work for everyone involved in explaining it to newbies and writing docs, etc).
2) it's quicker to implement, as the framework for parcels and parcel-level access controls is already there in SL.
3) It does away with the ugly ban/access lines, and also helps improve security by giving privacy in a non-obstructive way. Hence we could have group-only parcels that are secure to the ceiling, but which are not covered in any ugly lines and which don't stop flyers enjoying SL either.

I like Jillian's idea - the pocket universe , but I think it could be room-sized, like a skybox only inaccessible to those not on the TP list.

STAMP of approval.

One clarification: the "nothing rezzes" rule be based on the position of the root prim of the object, like prim quotas and other prim/parcel interactions, so you could have a building rooted on a non-access-controlled parcel visible even if most of it was over the access-controlled volume.

head over to that url (http://www.bustedinsl.com/)and here is what you find


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luc

As i am a MMO hopper, i have had my travels into Istaria. the virtual world of Horizons. I call it that cuz it's not only a game but you can own land in it, socialize, roleplay, and make stuff. I feal i need to bring up a little point.

SL's privacy is so bad that it can't even compete with horizons. I meen look what Horizons has to offer. I took a screenshot and cropped it around the window for "Online Status" stuff. I also added the chat window cuz i like how it's tabbed and stuffs.

http://wolfeedarkfang.furrynet.com/images/horizons_1147659686.jpg

EDIT: Also i like the wooden UI. Why can't we have custom skins in SL too? XD i wan't too much. BUT! Fix the bugs we already got first. XD

Nobody in the world can see me?

Can you see the people who can't see you?

What about your stuff? Can you hide that?

...If no one can see me....I can watch people change clothes....and they'd never know....

I like the pocket universe idea, too.... I wonder how long it will be before we can have privately hosted servers? That would solve a lot of the privacy issues.

In most the new MMORPG's you have stealth/sneak mode for some rogue-like classes that can hide you from most people. I don't know why SL can't have SOME sort of privacy.. I meen c'mon.. SL sucks for privacy we all know it.

I've stated about Horizons (a very low profile MMO) who even IT has better privacy then SL. There needs to be SOME way for a user to go somewhere or do something where nobody else can find them or atleast by online status, without having to leave SL or buy a expensive sim...

Some people are willing to go with the flow and say "if you dont like it then turn off your PC", but this is a world of change. SL isn't just some average online hangout. This is a world of creation. If you don't like something you don't run away, you attempt to change it.

I'm with you on that, Yiffy.

the "If you don't like it, then leave" answer might be okay for games, where the developer keeps complete control over the experience, but SL is supposed to be BY us FOR us.

Privacy in the real world is recognized as a right; it should be so in the virtual world, too.

NOT giving us real privacy tools will simply result in more peeping toms and groups that seem to have the express purpose of spying on others. (Remember the noise about the "skybox hunters" a few weeks ago?)

I think you mis understood my post. I am not against privacy i was simply quoting what OTHERS say. Il copy and paste it again...

<<<Some people are willing to go with the flow and say "if you dont like it then turn off your PC", but this is a world of change. SL isn't just some average online hangout. This is a world of creation. If you don't like something you don't run away, you attempt to change it.>>>

By saying that i was implying that we SHOULD have privacy features added to SL.

This is very true and i've been here in SL for 2 years and i've witnessed that Ll seems to either not care or have it way way way way in the back of their plans.. Either way the only thing in SL thats changed since i started was it has a lot more asshats now.

Yeah, I've noticed.

Is it that LL doesn't care about privacy, or that they can't find a simple solution?