RATINGS : When Dancers are Best builders than Builders .....

Hello to all,

I have found limitations into the rating system that directly throw me in a void of answerless questions.... How comes an Avatar who passes his time dancing in Dwelled Clubs finally becomes a better builder than the best builders in SL ? There was a time when the Building Points were given only when the Person actually built something impressive, now it seems that just moving a digital butt in a club is enough to enter the Top Ten and Throw Out of it the RARE ONLY BUILDERS that were in it ....

The funny thing is that Ratings are NOT the expression of the Reputation of an Avatar, that s for Sure. Let me give you a simple example: Take an avatar like a guy i know well -l l- named YadNi Monde, ask around about him and you will see almost anyone knows that name, has heard of it and really likes the guy.... But YadNi Monde is NOT the best rated in world. That means Ratings have NOTHING to see with Reputation, just with "Social Skills", that is, being where there is the maximum of people at a given time and enjoy the heavy lag .... Erm, I m sorry Guyz, but that s not what i prefer in SL, that s prolly why you dont see me at Parties a lot but eventually will find me somewhere in a desert area building like mad =) .... hmmm HAHAHAH Too Much Roflmfao

Agreed.

Everyone should have a limited amount of 'rating points' they are allowed to give out.

If they go over their budget, they are simply retracted from people they gave them to before.

Every month you should get another rating point that you are allowed to give out.

In the end though, it will always be a popularity contest and not one based on merit.

While i agree rating whoring is horrible, I can't say if the situation described about is a bad situation. Maybe the guy has some amazing "attachment" that everyone loves that he built. Part of the rating system is marketing. If the guy is just being blindly given building ratings then sure it's a failing of the system.

Do people actually still think ratings mean anything? I'm often by myself and not getting any ratings, but who cares. If I go somewhere and it's a big rate party I'll rate everyone back too. Again who cares, it makes the other person feel good and it's an extra buck or two. The numbers don't reflect ANYTHING to do with behavior, appearance or building, just how much you are into rating others. Somebody in the welcome area told me she got 700 points in a week rating others lol.

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There is one place ratings mean something. If someone has given dozens of negs it's a big red flag.

When I rate I usually leave the Building one off unless I am standing at their place... yea ratings is fairly useless IMHO

Arti

ratings are bad

bread good

more bread, less ratings

Asolutely correct, YadNi.

Without an overhaul of the ratings system, we could probably get by with this: You can only rate the building category if you right-click on an object the person created. So if a dancer wants a building rating, she/he will at least have to rez a cube.

*hugz* Yadni....I personally do not rate ppl on the build rating. I always just rate appearance and behavior. I only rate the build rating if I know that person has built something that I find to be worth the rate. Otherwise I do not rate for build. I agree with your point.

*makes mental note to rate yadni +1 building*

One enlightening exception, who still remains an exception, is top-rated builder Sinatra Cartier.

So, erm, i ll try to be as clear as possible, i hope you will follow =D

Ratings should be separated into two distinctive categories: Social Indicator and Skills Indicator.

The SOCIAL INDICATORS would be rated ON THE AVATAR itself, as we actually do, but it would open the following window
--------------------------------------
------BEHAVIOR
-* Behavior *----------000 0 000
------APPEARANCE
-* Body Parts *--------000 0 000
-* Clothings *----------000 0 000
-* Attachements *-----000 0 000
--------------------------------------
The scale i use goes from -3 to +3, 0 (zero) is the middle basic state. One point costs One Linden. The Social Indicator would still be used for Weekly Stipend, and would appear in the Leader Boards.

The SKILLS INDICATORS would be rated ON PRIMS OR OBJECTS only, the two options would be RATE OWNER, in which case you would go to SOCIAL INDICATORS of the Owner and RATE CREATOR, which would open the following window
--------------------------------------
------SKILLS
-* Building *-----------000 0 000----name of builder---------/PROFILE/button
-* Scripting *----------000 0 000----name of scriptor--------/PROFILE/button
-* Texturing *----------000 0 000----name of texturer-------/PROFILE/button
-* Animating *---------000 0 000----name of animator------/PROFILE/button
-* Sounding *----------000 0 000----name of soundman----/PROFILE/button
---------------------------------------
The scale i use goes from -3 to +3, 0 (zero) is the middle basic state. One point costs One Linden. The Skill Indicator would NOT be used for Weekly Stipend, and would appear in the Leader Boards. The Object or Prim would know who made it s sound texture shape sounds and anims and would show the respective creators on the rating menu.

Each time you would, your avatar or an object of yours, get rated, instead of a cheap menu vanishing as fast as a bullet so you cant even read the comment without having to open history, it would open a UP RIGHT CORNER MENU BUTTON and would say:

and would show two buttons: /OK/ and /RATE BACK/, where you could be a polite avatar and give for example ONE point of Behavior.

That s about it, how does that sound to you ?

While at first blush this appears to accomplish what you seem to be trying to accomplsih - get builders recognized for their work as opposed to "social engineers" who essentially get and particpate in rating parties.....my second impression is it is no better than what is currenly in effect as far as accomplishing your goal is concerned.

"My" workaround to your system, were I a ratings-centered person would be to create a group with a bunch of friends, buy/separate off a 16sq meter plot, and have each group member make one prim in this plot. Then, once a week/however often is allowed, we would rate the prims of each other.

Oh wait, you said that building rates are not going to be considered in weekly stipend calculations. If that case, the only ones who would actually care about rating builds and builders are: those who are friends of the builders, those who potientially gain something (future business) by being seen as a good builder, those who have more money than they know what to do with, and a very small percentage of people who are actually impressed with a particular build/builder and feel that such recognition is deserved/worth a $1L. Hmmm, sounds to me like the system today - except that the building rate is figured into the weekly stipend calculation...

So, ultimately, I don't see that your solution actually "solves" anything --- to me, you haven't quite described a SOLVABLE problem.

Screw ratings. No really, dump them into the sea.

Reputation is built by example, not a few numbers in a popup window. And to that end, decoupling ratings from stipends would be a great idea too.

I'm convinced that there are some things in this reality which just cannot be quantified and rounded off to the nearest integer. One can try to explain them away, but it falters and fails. Some things just ARE.

The whole rating system means nothing. You can't use that to judge people. If i was to use it to judge Darko, i would miss out knowing one of the sweetest and most loving person in SL

You dont know him well enough. He is a major griefer, I can assure you!

One would think the Building rating would need to be accessed from an object that was actually built.. *grin*