First off, be able to give no rights to the next owner. Meaning, no-copy, no-mod, no-resell. That would be really, really nice!
Second in your account history, it would list every transaction that you make, not only the money you get.
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Jade Bard
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07-20-2004 21:08
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Carnildo Greenacre
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Re: Couple of GOOD suggestions
07-20-2004 23:34
Originally posted by Jade Bard First off, be able to give no rights to the next owner. Meaning, no-copy, no-mod, no-resell. That would be really, really nice! That would be really, really greedy, and potentially a violation of US copyright law. _____________________
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Angel Leviathan
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Re: Re: Couple of GOOD suggestions
07-21-2004 12:32
Originally posted by Carnildo Greenacre That would be really, really greedy, and potentially a violation of US copyright law. How is it potentially a violation of copyright law? |
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Eggy Lippmann
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07-21-2004 13:06
I suspect Carnildo is thinking about "fair use" rights. Thing is, you arent legally obliged to facilitate "fair use" to whoever purchases your work.
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Jade Bard
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07-21-2004 18:34
The problem with this is, this is in a game, and they can't charge for fair rights laws in a game. I would have 10000 murder charges on my hands, if they could charge you for ever person you kill online.
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Carnildo Greenacre
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Re: Re: Re: Couple of GOOD suggestions
07-21-2004 23:43
Originally posted by Angel Leviathan How is it potentially a violation of copyright law? First sale doctrine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_sale_doctrine http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#109 _____________________
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Jade Bard
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07-22-2004 08:25
Yes, but this is a game! Am i the only one who realizes this.
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Omega Prototype
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07-22-2004 09:07
Most things in SL are there for a reason. The lindens chose to bring-in first sale doctrine for a reason, and that reason is because they felt it best to insure that people's rights weren't infringed.
Think about it this way: If you're allowed to infringe on thier rights and not let them resell it, why wouldn't they be allowed to make an exact duplicate and sell that? Or add a few new features and bill it as "2.0"? Heck, I'd be more than happy if the lindens changed the system, just so long as I can go around and steal stuff will full rights with the "Make illegal bootleg" pie menu option. (/sarcasm) |
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Catherine Omega
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07-22-2004 14:35
Originally posted by Jade Bard Yes, but this is a game! Am i the only one who realizes this. Don't worry, Jade. You're not the only one. There are lots of other people who are wrong as well.  Copyright applies in SL as much as it does in the real world. Information need not be printed in a tangible medium for it to be protected. If you create something, you own it, regardless of whether it's a movie, a published book, an unpublished manuscript, or a file you upload to SL. _____________________
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Grim Lupis
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07-22-2004 16:09
Originally posted by Jade Bard Yes, but this is a game! Am i the only one who realizes this. *sigh* Here we go again. You have to realize that not everyone agrees with your statement. As a matter of fact, I'm of the opinion that MOST people wouldn't agree with your statement. The attitude/implication that the rest of us are stupid because we don't agree with you is inflamatory, and won't make you many friends here. I, myself, think that the "only a game" cry is used primarily as an excuse by people that are either doing or plan on doing something that they know is unethical. It's a mantra they repeat to themselves to sooth what little conscience they have. _____________________
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Jade Bard
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07-22-2004 21:59
First of all I made the statement refering to the people above me. It was not meant as a truely factual statement either. It's pretty hard to think that your the only one with that view point in the world.
Second I "cry" the state meant that it is only game due to the fact that people are trying to compare real life laws to something in a game. Nor do I think that it is unethical what I want to do. Lastly I don't say it to "sooth" myself. I say it because it's true. Now thanks for your little rant "mr. victim." But I think "they" make more of an arguement then you. |
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Siggy Romulus
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07-22-2004 22:46
Originally posted by Jade Bard First of all I made the statement refering to the people above me. It was not meant as a truely factual statement either. It's pretty hard to think that your the only one with that view point in the world. Second I "cry" the state meant that it is only game due to the fact that people are trying to compare real life laws to something in a game. Nor do I think that it is unethical what I want to do. Lastly I don't say it to "sooth" myself. I say it because it's true. Now thanks for your little rant "mr. victim." But I think "they" make more of an arguement then you. In most online games the company running the game usually has something in the fine print about owning everything in the game and residing on their servers... go have a read of their terms of service and you're sure to find it. This was the big sticking point with the Ebay/Everquest debarkle.. Here in Second Life Linden Lab has given us ownership of IP rights over the content we create -- we can do as we please with it. This is one of the reasons why copyright law is even more important here than elsewhere -- this is no longer a case of 'we own everything'.. It would stand to reason that other aspects, such as the first sale doctrine would be implimented. I don't think it's your suggesting is so much unethical -- more that it doesn't add anything to the permissions system as it stands.. If an item is no transfer they can't resell it, but could have multiple copies... If they can't copy it, they can get rid of that one single copy or sell it.. I can understand something made free staying free -- but a splitting of resale/give away into an either or choice on transfer would seem a more reasonable fix for that problem. (or waiting to see what the next major update does to permissions) So what exactly do you want? Maybe what you want to do is able to be done in the current permission system and you're just approaching it from the wrong angle. Siggy. _____________________
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Carnildo Greenacre
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07-22-2004 23:30
Originally posted by Jade Bard Second I "cry" the state meant that it is only game due to the fact that people are trying to compare real life laws to something in a game. Nor do I think that it is unethical what I want to do. I'm comparing real-life laws to something in the game because they do apply. From the TOS: 6.1 Content. You acknowledge that: (i) by using the Service you may have access to graphics, sound effects, music, video, audio, animation, text and other creative output (collectively, "Content" , and (ii) Content may be provided under license by independent content providers, including contributions from other Participants (all such independent content providers, "Content Providers". Linden does not pre-screen Content. YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT LINDEN HAS THE RIGHT, BUT NOT THE OBLIGATION, TO REMOVE ANY CONTENT (INCLUDING YOURS) IN WHOLE OR IN PART AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE AND WITH NO LIABILITY OF ANY KIND. 6.2 Rights in Content. You acknowledge that Linden and other Content Providers have rights in their respective Content under copyright and other applicable laws and treaty provisions, that they retain all such rights and that you accept full responsibility and liability for your use of any Content in violation of any such rights. You agree that your creation of Content is not in any way based upon any expectation of compensation from Linden. You shall indemnify and hold Linden harmless from and against any claims by third parties that your Content infringes upon, violates or misappropriates any of their intellectual property or proprietary rights. 12. GENERAL PROVISIONS. This Agreement is governed by and shall be construed and enforced under the laws of the State of California, without applying any conflict of law principles. The exclusive jurisdiction and venue of any action with respect to the subject matter of this agreement shall be the state courts of the State of California for the County of San Francisco or the United States District Court for the Northern District of California and each of us submits to the exclusive jurisdiction and venue of such courts for the purpose of any such action. These three clauses in the TOS bring in by reference the entire body of United States copyright law. Under that law, if you were to sell me an object that is no-copy no-transfer, I could concievably sue you for violating the doctrine of first sale, and have a reasonable expectation of winning. Further, I could sue LL for contributory infringement for making no-copy no-transfer possible, with a lesser chance of winning. _____________________
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Jade Bard
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07-23-2004 08:51
Alright then a script it is.
I write a script where you must register the game with me for it to work. Therefore you are allowed to sell it, but it doesn't mean it will work for the next person. Therefore you can't sue me. Since you are allowed to sell. I didn't want to do this, since people would get scammed, but I guess it's the only way for what I want to do. |
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Carnildo Greenacre
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07-23-2004 23:02
Software is the funny exception to first sale, because of the fact that it's usually licensed instead of sold.
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Grim Lupis
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07-24-2004 07:52
Originally posted by Carnildo Greenacre Software is the funny exception to first sale, because of the fact that it's usually licensed instead of sold. But he's not talking about selling a script. He's talking about selling an object with some sort of embedded software. It's like selling somebody a DNA-activated DVD player or something. _____________________
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