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Rock Psaltery

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Join date: 1 Jul 2004

Posts: 115

04-03-2005 22:31

This latest version is a complete bust. Instead of relieving problems, problems have increased. I've never crashed this often or with this much severity (i.e. the whole computer freezes). New rendering techniques don't seem to be having any effect on speeding up the process. Crowded areas are ripe for crashing. Typing now leaves out letters if there's lag.

What's up with this Lindens? This is BS.

Strife Onizuka

Moonchild

Join date: 3 Mar 2004

Posts: 5,887

04-04-2005 00:41

If your computer is freezing it's probably...
A) your video drivers are out of date or badly installed (did you uninstall the previous version of the drivers before you installed the current version?)
B) your hardware is overheating (try lower video settings. get more cooling on the hot bits of your computer (memory, vid card, cpu, etc))
C) your hardware is defective (replace)

client crashes could be caused by the above list as well. Until you sort out what is causing the system to freeze there is little that can be done.

_____________________

Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river.
- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey

Selador Cellardoor

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Join date: 16 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,082

04-04-2005 02:36

About a year ago I had a mediocre graphics card, but nevertheless I could run with local lighting switched on, and generally have a draw distance of 256m.

Since then, with every upgrade things seem to have got worse. With 1.6 I suffer from constant freezes, some of which I can correct with a relog, some of which necessitate a complete reboot. And, now with an Nvidia 6800GT card, I find that even with my draw distance set to 64m and local lighting turned off, I suffer from periods of extreme lag, where my frame rate drops to 0.5 or below.

There is very little pleasure in playing sl now, and I do wish that before implementing new features, some time could be spent on getting the old ones to work properly.

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Selador Cellardoor

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Posts: 3,082

04-04-2005 02:39

Strife,

There are threads in which many people have complained about the constant freezing. Some are suffering so badly that they are finding sl completely unplayable.

I am suffering as well, and as far as your checklist goes:-

A. No, they are not, and yes, they were installed correctly.

B. No, my hardware is not overheating - I monitor the temperature in five different places.

C. Bollocks.

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Kris Ritter

paradoxical embolism

Join date: 31 Oct 2003

Posts: 6,627

04-04-2005 02:41

From: Strife Onizuka

If your computer is freezing it's probably...
A) your video drivers are out of date or badly installed (did you uninstall the previous version of the drivers before you installed the current version?)
B) your hardware is overheating (try lower video settings. get more cooling on the hot bits of your computer (memory, vid card, cpu, etc))
C) your hardware is defective (replace)

client crashes could be caused by the above list as well. Until you sort out what is causing the system to freeze there is little that can be done.

Oh come now. I now freeze every 30 seconds in SL. Every other game and application in existence is just fine. I have current drivers. My system is not overheating. There is nothing defective about my hardware. I know what I'm doing.

Nothing has changed on my system with the exception of loading the 1.6 client.

I wish people (including Lindens) would stop perpetuating this bullshit about it being something at our end thats changed. It's fucking obvious where the problem lies.

Rock Psaltery

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Join date: 1 Jul 2004

Posts: 115

04-04-2005 02:47

Yes, this sucks. I'm surprised there's only been one detracted on this thread so far. Elsewhere people are jumping all over me for claiming it's messed up.

Willow Zander

Having Blahgasms

Join date: 22 May 2004

Posts: 9,935

04-04-2005 02:55

I blame my rare few crashes since the update on my Inventory, seen as it ONLY happens when I open my inventory...

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Rock Psaltery

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Posts: 115

04-04-2005 03:00

I love The Cure

Willow Zander

Having Blahgasms

Join date: 22 May 2004

Posts: 9,935

04-04-2005 03:06

That because, obviously, you roxxor

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*I'm not ready for the world outside...I keep pretending, but I just can't hide...*

"Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind."

<3 Giddeon's <3

Rock Psaltery

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Join date: 1 Jul 2004

Posts: 115

04-04-2005 03:18

Fellow Capricorn

Willow Zander

Having Blahgasms

Join date: 22 May 2004

Posts: 9,935

04-04-2005 03:23

EEEEEEEP

NO!!!

I am a Saggitarius!!!

Well depending on what you read

_____________________

*I'm not ready for the world outside...I keep pretending, but I just can't hide...*

"Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind."

<3 Giddeon's <3

Strife Onizuka

Moonchild

Join date: 3 Mar 2004

Posts: 5,887

04-04-2005 03:27

My list is only for when the computer freezes and doesn't come out of the freeze; where a reboot is the only option (via the power switch). This would be a situation that not even pressing 'caps lock' on the keyboard would light up the 'caps lock' LED.

My list does not address: lag, client hanging, or client crashes.

So before you chew me out by giving examples of how it's not the case. Make sure your situation fits the criteria first.

_____________________

Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river.
- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey

Rock Psaltery

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Join date: 1 Jul 2004

Posts: 115

04-04-2005 03:30

Close enough. You're on the cusp. Fellow music fan then. lol

I'm Dec 26th, and I play music too, which might have something to do with my tastes.

Willow Zander

Having Blahgasms

Join date: 22 May 2004

Posts: 9,935

04-04-2005 03:33

From: Rock Psaltery

Close enough. You're on the cusp. Fellow music fan then. lol

I'm Dec 26th, and I play music too, which might have something to do with my tastes.

21st here

My bro is the 25th, we are a winter baby family

I tried playing music a few times, I failed

Being left handed does NOT help

Well thats my story anyways

and Strife, I have also experienced complete PC freezes, but only when i have 56793487548 different things running and SL, so I guess, thats my fault

_____________________

*I'm not ready for the world outside...I keep pretending, but I just can't hide...*

"Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind."

<3 Giddeon's <3

blaze Spinnaker

1/2 Serious

Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

04-04-2005 05:10

I think it would be too much of a coincidence that hardware or software started to work improperly the same time the client was upgraded.

No, the cause is 1.6. Unfortunately, it's unlikely they are going to roll back.

I suggest everyone try

a) upgrade their service pack
b) their video card driver
c) try posting in technical issues and hope that Catherine Omega replies (she's a guru)

_____________________

Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Let's go back and fix what we had before jumping into this nonsense
Rock Psaltery Registered User Join date: 1 Jul 2004 Posts: 115	04-03-2005 22:31 This latest version is a complete bust. Instead of relieving problems, problems have increased. I've never crashed this often or with this much severity (i.e. the whole computer freezes). New rendering techniques don't seem to be having any effect on speeding up the process. Crowded areas are ripe for crashing. Typing now leaves out letters if there's lag. What's up with this Lindens? This is BS.
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	04-04-2005 00:41 If your computer is freezing it's probably... A) your video drivers are out of date or badly installed (did you uninstall the previous version of the drivers before you installed the current version?) B) your hardware is overheating (try lower video settings. get more cooling on the hot bits of your computer (memory, vid card, cpu, etc)) C) your hardware is defective (replace) client crashes could be caused by the above list as well. Until you sort out what is causing the system to freeze there is little that can be done. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	04-04-2005 02:36 About a year ago I had a mediocre graphics card, but nevertheless I could run with local lighting switched on, and generally have a draw distance of 256m. Since then, with every upgrade things seem to have got worse. With 1.6 I suffer from constant freezes, some of which I can correct with a relog, some of which necessitate a complete reboot. And, now with an Nvidia 6800GT card, I find that even with my draw distance set to 64m and local lighting turned off, I suffer from periods of extreme lag, where my frame rate drops to 0.5 or below. There is very little pleasure in playing sl now, and I do wish that before implementing new features, some time could be spent on getting the old ones to work properly. _____________________
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	04-04-2005 02:39 Strife, There are threads in which many people have complained about the constant freezing. Some are suffering so badly that they are finding sl completely unplayable. I am suffering as well, and as far as your checklist goes:- A. No, they are not, and yes, they were installed correctly. B. No, my hardware is not overheating - I monitor the temperature in five different places. C. Bollocks. _____________________
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	04-04-2005 02:41 From: Strife Onizuka If your computer is freezing it's probably... A) your video drivers are out of date or badly installed (did you uninstall the previous version of the drivers before you installed the current version?) B) your hardware is overheating (try lower video settings. get more cooling on the hot bits of your computer (memory, vid card, cpu, etc)) C) your hardware is defective (replace) client crashes could be caused by the above list as well. Until you sort out what is causing the system to freeze there is little that can be done. Oh come now. I now freeze every 30 seconds in SL. Every other game and application in existence is just fine. I have current drivers. My system is not overheating. There is nothing defective about my hardware. I know what I'm doing. Nothing has changed on my system with the exception of loading the 1.6 client. I wish people (including Lindens) would stop perpetuating this bullshit about it being something at our end thats changed. It's fucking obvious where the problem lies.
Rock Psaltery Registered User Join date: 1 Jul 2004 Posts: 115	04-04-2005 02:47 Yes, this sucks. I'm surprised there's only been one detracted on this thread so far. Elsewhere people are jumping all over me for claiming it's messed up.
Willow Zander Having Blahgasms Join date: 22 May 2004 Posts: 9,935	04-04-2005 02:55 I blame my rare few crashes since the update on my Inventory, seen as it ONLY happens when I open my inventory... _____________________ *I'm not ready for the world outside...I keep pretending, but I just can't hide...* "Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind." <3 Giddeon's <3
Rock Psaltery Registered User Join date: 1 Jul 2004 Posts: 115	04-04-2005 03:00 I love The Cure
Willow Zander Having Blahgasms Join date: 22 May 2004 Posts: 9,935	04-04-2005 03:06 That because, obviously, you roxxor _____________________ *I'm not ready for the world outside...I keep pretending, but I just can't hide...* "Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind." <3 Giddeon's <3
Rock Psaltery Registered User Join date: 1 Jul 2004 Posts: 115	04-04-2005 03:18 Fellow Capricorn
Willow Zander Having Blahgasms Join date: 22 May 2004 Posts: 9,935	04-04-2005 03:23 EEEEEEEP NO!!! I am a Saggitarius!!! Well depending on what you read _____________________ *I'm not ready for the world outside...I keep pretending, but I just can't hide...* "Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind." <3 Giddeon's <3
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	04-04-2005 03:27 My list is only for when the computer freezes and doesn't come out of the freeze; where a reboot is the only option (via the power switch). This would be a situation that not even pressing 'caps lock' on the keyboard would light up the 'caps lock' LED. My list does not address: lag, client hanging, or client crashes. So before you chew me out by giving examples of how it's not the case. Make sure your situation fits the criteria first. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Rock Psaltery Registered User Join date: 1 Jul 2004 Posts: 115	04-04-2005 03:30 Close enough. You're on the cusp. Fellow music fan then. lol I'm Dec 26th, and I play music too, which might have something to do with my tastes.
Willow Zander Having Blahgasms Join date: 22 May 2004 Posts: 9,935	04-04-2005 03:33 From: Rock Psaltery Close enough. You're on the cusp. Fellow music fan then. lol I'm Dec 26th, and I play music too, which might have something to do with my tastes. 21st here My bro is the 25th, we are a winter baby family I tried playing music a few times, I failed Being left handed does NOT help Well thats my story anyways and Strife, I have also experienced complete PC freezes, but only when i have 56793487548 different things running and SL, so I guess, thats my fault _____________________ *I'm not ready for the world outside...I keep pretending, but I just can't hide...* "Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind." <3 Giddeon's <3
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-04-2005 05:10 I think it would be too much of a coincidence that hardware or software started to work improperly the same time the client was upgraded. No, the cause is 1.6. Unfortunately, it's unlikely they are going to roll back. I suggest everyone try a) upgrade their service pack b) their video card driver c) try posting in technical issues and hope that Catherine Omega replies (she's a guru) _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

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