Suggestion: 30+ Grid

Can we please have a mature grid for people 30 and over?

It seems that 30 is the new 20 and that 20 is the new 12. There appears to be many people on the forums, for whom English is their first language, that can not be bothered to speak in complete sentences, use proper punctuation or otherwise write so that they can be understood.

There is also a population that seems to want to act childish even though they are over the age of 18. My initial reaction is that they are likely under the age of 30.

The creation of a mature grid that you are permitted to join at the age of 30, along with a set of forums that match that grid, would allow for more intelligent discussion, more productive rational threads, and would provide a place where we could be unassaulted by the unintelligible ramblings of people who have no desire to become actual adults.

We could call the middle-tiered grid the Peter Pan grid. The grid would be for members old enough for sexual content, but not old enough to actually contribute to society in a meaningful way.

Additionally, we could allow for the banishment of selected members to the Peter Pan grid at the positive vote of any 12 consenting mature members.

I think what you want is something we like to call a private island.

I was hoping for a separate set of forums. I can deal with idiots in-world because we're not usually trying to 'accomplish' something there.

The forums should be a place where we have meaningful discussions to better the in-world experience, but threadjackers, flamers and mumbling children destroy some of the more meaningful discussions on the boards.

new to the internet are ya?...

I'm sorry, i'm going to be an ass here...

First question, How old am I?
Second question, How old was I when I joined SL?
Thrid question, What have I done\brought to SL in that time?

Forth, more of a comment... Hate to bring this up, but mature is NOT a number.

I love ”funny” guys... (not)

/Tina - EXAKT 29

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agreed.

and, while i'm often extremely silly, i help lots of folks get their new SL going where i help out.


i think duke needs to either mute all the annoying ppl or start his own forum, where only the big kids can enter the clubhouse. everyone has their own agenda here, and many of them are annoying to all the others with THEIR own agenda. that's the internet.

I think this is the sort of thing Duke was trying to avoid. He has a valid request. Responses like these only serve to prove his point, not shoot it down.

Many people who worked for or as a part of Monty Python were over 30

I'm 37. I contribute to society, both RL and SL.

I'm also silly, irreverent and childish.

I'll be sticking to the "Peter Pan" grid, thank you.
I'd probaby be kicked out of the "Captain Hook" grid in a matter of minutes.

Here's an idea. You can get a website for VERY cheap and set up your own forum, for you and other "like minded" citizens. It'll probably be cheaper for everyone, including you and the 15 people you deem suitable for your Grid, than setting up a separate grid.

Enjoy the solitude.

well, MY point is i just don't see it happening. he can certainly request it, and it's possible it will happen but frankly i don't see it. if he's truly serious then i hope he went and put it in the desired features area so folks can vote. perhaps a poll first if he wishes.otherwise i'm afraid it probably just amounts to so much hot air, like many many things on many forums.

i do understand his desires. i wasn't trying to say he has no right to his idea. i don't try to shoot people down.

however, i don't see it as a realistic possibility and i'll bet you 5 $L he didn't bother to put it to a vote.

I have nothing against silliness.

My intention was merely a commentary on the perceived maturity level of people who post rants without any details as to what the hell they are ranting about, in broken English and incomplete sentences.

I've been on the Internet since 1984 (before it was available to most of the general public). And unfortunately, the average apparent intellect on the Internet has done nothing but declined. Call me an elitist, but I prefer discussions where sentences begin with a capital letter and end with a period, and OMG, H4Xor5 and L0L, WTF don't appear in non-chat-room mediums.

If that means ignoring the forums, I may have to resort to that. But at the moment, it seems that the forums are where we can voice our valid and meaningful concerns to Linden Labs.

With all of the rubbish on the forums, lately, though, meaningful, well-thought out and reasonable discussion is being lost under a flood of: OMG, YOU BROKE MY COMPUTER!

May I humbly suggest that you find a new place to hang out in SL? I rarely, if ever, come across this sort of behaviour.

For that matter, I don't really come across it in the forums. Yes, there are some "OMG, I gots teh 1337 comp N I cant get sl to werk" posts, but, seriously, are they that difficult to ignore?

-some- of the broken english people are not native english speakers..

i've been on the net since 87. there were PLENTY of idiots back then too.

i don't use caps because i'm a crappy typist and it takes me long enough just to catch most of the spelling errors. i'm also guilty of lol because i like to laugh and to quickly let ppl know i'm teasing or amused. i'm not into most of the other stuff though.

i agree there are lots of idiotic posts, and it's a shame. however it's been that way to some degree for a long time and is frankly probably only going to get worse as a wider and wider segment of the population has access. the days of the net only belonging to universities and companies such as HP (my dad had access even earlier than i did because he worked there) are long gone, and that's just the way it is.

HOWEVER-to immediately ignore every post that doesn't fit your standards for typed input would be a mistake, in my opinion. there are some intelligent people who have good ideas even if they aren't fluent, never had a great education, are lousy typists, or perhaps are young and a bit prone to the latest slang, as the young often are.

I'm going to second that.
How old am I?
I may not have brought a lot to Second Life, bt I have made some stuff that a number of people want and use, even if it's only a few dozen.

Why should I be stuck on the Teen Grid?

I think I know how you feel... hells I still have to get over it every week. Just take a step back and say "Do I really need to be reading this crap" I read some of it because it's funny and makes me laugh.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news... but the internet, a while back was only used by a select mass of people, usually IT. Today, anyone can get a computer, a net connection and post their own blogs... etc. The internet is the way to bypass verbal communications; where anyone can post\blog, there isn't anyone there to say 'I don't want to hear it'. Simple thing to remember, it's the average person now, it's not the average IT pro who went to school for 20 years (counting highschool, uni, etc).

How about a moderated forum or two?

You can try, but I don't think it will work. These forums are already 'moderated', at the level of 'moderation' you are thinking I doubt you'll get anything like. You're better off with a private islands an a private forum.

Age won't do it. I already know (and have reported a really rude one at least once, when he flat-out admitted it so I had logs) of kids as young as 11 successfully sneaking onto the adult grid.

You also have this problem I have noted in my area.... I know 40-year-olds less mature than I am at 21. Hell, I know some that are less mature than some teens I know. It's.... rather sad to be honest.

20 isn't necessarily the new 12. 20 is what a lot of people like to claim they are when lying about their age. That and 18 and 21. And you've got immature goons in every age range, as I pointed out above (sadly I have known a few of those in person).

It's a nice thought, in theory, but in practice, I'm not sure how much it will do. That and another grid means more resources needed, which brings in financial issues....

I will admit to using a certain amount of netspeak (lol, wtf - just because it expresses utter stupid/dumfounded confusion better than spelling it out somehow, brb, and the like) on occasion... not a ton though. Unless I'm intentionally trying to look stupid or poke fun at something. Too much makes me gag and want to throw dictionaries at people.

Of course it has!

In 1984, the only users of the pre-Internet were the intellectual elite. To get in, you had to be either connected with a university (and mostly elite universities at that), a defense contractor, or the government. Certainly the first two are associated with brains; the third might not be in the general case, but the parts of the government that were connected in 1984 were the brainy ones.

22 years later, everybody can get on the Internet. THe level of computer skill required to use it has also dropped quite a bit, due to the diligent efforts of those people who were on the net in 1984. It is only natural that the overall population of the net has moved closer to the center, because participation has been democratized.

Back to the main argument: I'm well over 30. But many of my best friends aren't, and I wouldn't want to be cut off from them. I would miss their boundless energy and imagination.