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Business Features for SL Commerce

Sabrina Doolittle
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12-15-2005 18:58
I would love to see LL roll out an upgrade that included some business support features for those of us who are bowing before the gods of SL commerce.

It would be nice to be able to see stats (and a graph format, too) for daily sales, sales by day of week, rankings of popular > least popular items, rankings of popular > least popular items by number of days in stock.

Just like RL retail environments, a SL commercial enterprise pays for every prim, and every prim has to pay it's way. I'd love to be able to determine which inventory is not moving and dump that stock to replace it with better selling inventory.

In theory I should be able script-foo a lot of this from the Transaction spreadsheet, except the contents of my Transactions spreadsheet are totally empty in every download, so that's not going to work. But those would be basic functions I'd love to see.

In a more elaborate framework, I'd like to see LL support for offworld integration of customer marketing, like optional opt-in/opt-out support for monthly newsletters and an owner-triggered "alter me when new stock is offered" feature for customers.

Really, it can only benefit LL to roll out the features that support the businesses SL players use to support their SL addictions and make the economy flow, no? But I'm not an economist, just a retailer :)
Strife Onizuka
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12-15-2005 19:52
Everything you have suggested can be done with LSL or patched into SL though LSL.
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Surreal Farber
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12-15-2005 19:56
I seem to recall that Moopf had a vendor that incorporated some tracking features like this. It would be fabulous if it could be unified where it didn't matter where the sale came from: web, vendor, box, etc.
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Sabrina Doolittle
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12-16-2005 00:37
From: Strife Onizuka
Everything you have suggested can be done with LSL or patched into SL though LSL.


I have no idea what LSL is.
Sabrina Doolittle
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12-16-2005 00:39
From: Surreal Farber
I seem to recall that Moopf had a vendor that incorporated some tracking features like this.


I don't use vendors, though - what about those of us who are selling...

Well, I was going to say 3D objects, but that makes no sense in a 2D world. Hrm.

Anyway, I have a furniture store and people right-click to buy a copy of the actual object in front of them. That's what I'm trying to say - there are no Vendors involved. And I don't want any either.
Kris Ritter
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12-16-2005 01:21
From: Sabrina Doolittle
I don't use vendors, though - what about those of us who are selling...

Well, I was going to say 3D objects, but that makes no sense in a 2D world. Hrm.

Anyway, I have a furniture store and people right-click to buy a copy of the actual object in front of them. That's what I'm trying to say - there are no Vendors involved. And I don't want any either.


I'd suggest you start using vendors, since they can incorporate all the features you ask for without LL having to do any unnecessary work. LSL is the scripting language of Second Life, designed explicitly so users can build the kind of solutions you are asking for themselves.

I see you say you don't want to use them. But why wouldn't you? A vendor can be made to rez a copy of your actual furniture on demand for them to look at - no need to look at a photo. It saves you prims and gives you all the features you asked for.

I don't think LL should be wasting time creating features that already exist because you refuse to use the devices that facilitate it!
Eggy Lippmann
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12-16-2005 01:25
From: Strife Onizuka
Everything you have suggested can be done with LSL or patched into SL though LSL.

Everything she suggested can be done with Excel by going to her account history on the website and downloading the spreadsheet.
Torley Linden
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Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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12-16-2005 01:28
From: Eggy Lippmann
Everything she suggested can be done with Excel by going to her account history on the website and downloading the spreadsheet.


Whelp, sadly, no... https://secondlife.com/account/transactions.php has been brokers for several months now. I think it happened sometime in the summer.
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Sabrina Doolittle
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12-16-2005 06:25
From: someone
I see you say you don't want to use them. But why wouldn't you? A vendor can be made to rez a copy of your actual furniture on demand for them to look at - no need to look at a photo. It saves you prims and gives you all the features you asked for.


Because vendors are a terrible way to sell furniture. No high end furnture stores I'm familar with use them. Look at Hoffman Designs, Belle Belle, Xandi Mars - hell even Home Depoz, which will box ANYTHING, does not put furniture in a vendor. That is not an acceptable solution for me.

I know *how* to use a vendor, and I use them for textures but other than that they are not for me.

From: someone
I don't think LL should be wasting time creating features that already exist because you refuse to use the devices that facilitate it!


And I don't think there's any need for you to be an obnoxious prig. If LL provides a scripting language that will do everything I need it to do, then fine, I'm happy to port my coding skills and give it a go or hire someone to do it for me.

But let's be clear: SL does not incorporate these features. *Other people* have written scripts that provide these features using LSL. My point is that in a game that's pretty much based on buying and selling, LL should perhaps consider providing as part of the UI a set of tools that better supports the people who sell goods in SL. If people want to opt out of that and use 3rd party products, that's cool, but I think LL should provide better base line tools.

You're free to disagree, which you obviously do, but there's no need to be rude about it.

I'd prefer to have functional tools and a working excel spreadsheet than rippled water, but I wouldn't consider anything that someone would use to be a waste of time. There's no need to be perjorative about something someone wants to see that you personally have no need for.

Certainly, I wouldn't consider fixing the non-functioning spreadsheet (which would provide everything I need) to be a "waste of time." I'm not refusing to use that - I would LOVE to use that - but empty data doesn't give me much to work with, now does it?
Kris Ritter
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12-16-2005 06:29
From: Sabrina Doolittle
Because vendors are a terrible way to sell furniture. No high end furnture stores I'm familar with use them. Look at Hoffman Designs, Belle Belle, Xandi Mars - hell even Home Depoz, which will box ANYTHING, does not put furniture in a vendor. That is not an acceptable solution for me.

I know *how* to use a vendor, and I use them for textures but other than that they are not for me.



And I don't think there's any need for you to be an obnoxious prig. If LL provides a scripting language that will do everything I need it to do, then fine, I'm happy to port my coding skills and give it a go or hire someone to do it for me.

But let's be clear: SL does not incorporate these features. *Other people* have written scripts that provide these features using LSL. My point is that in a game that's pretty much based on buying and selling, LL should perhaps consider providing as part of the UI a set of tools that better supports the people who sell goods in SL. If people want to opt out of that and use 3rd party products, that's cool, but I think LL should provide better base line tools.

You're free to disagree, which you obviously do, but there's no need to be rude about it.

I'd prefer to have functional tools and a working excel spreadsheet than rippled water, but I wouldn't consider anything that someone would use to be a waste of time. There's no need to be perjorative about something someone wants to see that you personally have no need for.

Certainly, I wouldn't consider fixing the non-functioning spreadsheet (which would provide everything I need) to be a "waste of time." I'm not refusing to use that - I would LOVE to use that - but empty data doesn't give me much to work with, now does it?


Good attempt at an over the top reaction to a simple comment. I give this rant 6/10.
Surreal Farber
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12-16-2005 07:01
I use a rezzing furniture vendor, but our main stock isn't furniture and I use it to save prims. Since all our furniture is interactive, the customer can hop on the rezzed version. Much nicer than pictures.

I think LL's aim is that they want 3rd parties to use LSL to create solutions. Consider it a job niche. Gives the scripters a market and products. Also we end up with several approachs to any problem instead of the default LL one.
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