Always allow transfer to last owner

I like to be able to allow my customers to return items for a refund if they decide they're not happy with it, but this is becoming problematic.

My skins are all set to no-transfer so that if a customer gets makeup or other tatts added I can just give them additional skins that they can switch between at will. This makes it difficult to offer returns because I have to trust people to delete the item after I refund their money.

Situations like this could be avoided entirely by always allowing transfer to the previous owner even if it's set to not allow transfer. It would make it much easier to facilitate refunds on any item regardless of permissions.

Very good idea!

Or perhaps the older idea that the creator always has full rights when they become owner again, regardless of the "next owner" flags. This would solve other problems too.

Excellent idea Chip! I fully support this idea/suggestion!

Rather than tracking last owner, I'd much rather see "Allow transfer to creator," in conjunction with Tiger's addition.

Well I originally thought that doing it by creator would be the best idea, but currently the creator flag is too buggy and too easily gotten around through linking or other means. Doing it by previous owner would allow people to return things they've changed their mind on that they bought second hand as well.

And here people are always complaining about objects being bought second hand. Heh. If it was possible to always be able to return objects to their creator for a refund, but NOT possible to do that with second-hand merchants (authorized or unauthroized) then it would put a small crimp in the second hand market.

But I'm not too concerned with that.

As for getting around the creator flag, yes, it's a problem right now, but only for modifyable objects. I'm rather surprised that the creator tag doesn't show "multiple)" for linked objects composed of prims created by different people. If it did, it would solve most of the problems with spoofing and let the creator with full rights feature work safely.

But that spoof has been around forever, long enough to be written into the ToS as a violation... But it hasn't been changed. I'm guessing there's a reason, but I don't know it.

If a "transfer to last owner" were to be added, the last owner's key would have to be attached to the object. All in-world existing objects wouldn't have this data. Only new objects added after the feature is added. If that key is being added, then 3 more bits wouldn't hurt to store the permissions the last owner had, and restore them when the object is returned. It would be like a transfer-undo. I like.

this is a great idea. I fully support it in any suggested incarnation.

It just dawned on me that there'd really be no need for this in the second hand market since the object would have to be transferable to be sold second hand in the first place... doh!

Always allow return to creator would be sufficient and would work well for clothing and skins. It wouldn't help with the creator tag bugs but would still be useful for anyone selling no-transfer objects.

*bump* Please? We reeeaaaallllly need a way to handle returns on no-transfer objects!

Its an interesting idea, and i do support it.

But I personly dislike the whole permission system all together.

I think it should be based on a read write copy transfer, system


Modify acts as both Read write. These 2 should be sepret.
You should be able to even shut off read permissions. someone who dosnt have read permission cn not even see the object.

Also you should be able to have a List on each object much like the access/ban lists.
Exmpl.

Prim 1
John w--t
Marry rwct
anyone else ----

There you now have an object that john and marry can both see, and transfer, Marry can Edit it and copy it also.
But nobody else can even see it.

Also , you should be able to select deafults for each type of created thing..
For all textures i creat there automatily set to next owner wrc-
for all prims r--t
Or i can change the default If i want to via the options dialog.
Also an easier way to mod permissions in an objects content. and all linked prims content.
Maby a "set to all" check box on the parrent prim.

Good ideas, Jason. You should start a new thread in the Feature Suggestions forum so this gets the proper attention. It will probably be missed in this unrelated thread.

I'll come add my thoughts about it when you do.

Or even a "Confirm Refund" box, when someone requests a refund on an item in their inventory, it brings up a box asking them to confirm this and then auto-deletes the item if the seller agrees to the refund.

That would work too Cash.

This is a complete no-brainer and I have no idea why it isn't this way to begin with.

I agree, Huns. The reason I suggest last owner rather than creator is that it would cover more possible situations. Like you might have a partnership where one person creates stuff that someone else sells and provides customer service for. There just needs to be some way to verify that a no-transfer item is gone when offering a refund for it.