Cache location changeable.
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Satai Diaz
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08-06-2006 00:38
This has been talked about before and the fixes that people have come up with, however genius, scare the crap out of me.
We need an option to change where the cache files go to. I don't think I'm the only one on this forums that have their OS partition seperate from other partitions. I don't give a lot of room for my WinXP partition, usually around 10 GB, but that 10GB is at a premium. I require that space for other things involving my OS, not for Second Life. I find I have to clear my cache everytime I leave SL as to not cram up my C drive. Also it makes for some bad fragmentation, thus slowing down my OS.
There is a vote being called to fix this, I believe it's 1519. I urge everyone to vote for this but in the meantime if a Linden could respond or state that it's being looked into it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
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Dingo Warrigal
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08-06-2006 15:17
I have the same problem.
If I could change the bloody location of my home directory in Windows (like you can do in any sane operaing system), I'd be happy. But no, it sticks your application data on c: no matter what you do. The best you can do is get it to COPY the damned thing to a network share when you log out.
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Athena Sterling
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08-06-2006 15:57
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CrazyMonkey Feaver
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08-06-2006 15:58
I agree.. I partition my drive, and leave drive c: with as little space as possible, so I can image it and back it up easily.. Would be nice to not be forced to waste a gig on drive c:. -- to above poster, Id prefer it be native. actually Id prefer documents & settings not being used at all. Whats the second life folder for? --- And done 
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Dingo Warrigal
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08-07-2006 07:51
From: CrazyMonkey Feaver to above poster, Id prefer it be native. Second Life isn't the only application that uses the profile. Every program uses the profile because Microsoft set the profile up for every program to stick its bloody temporary files. That's what it's for. Settings go in the Registry (and isn't that a bleeding nuisance), the application goes in Program Files, and stuff that's too big for the Registry goes in the Profile. Given that, they bloody well ought to let you say "stick my bloody profile on E:, where I've got space for it". But no. Buncha mad bastards the lot of them. From: CrazyMonkey Feaver Whats the second life folder for? you mean the one under Program Files? That's shared between all the users, and a normal user (as if there's such a thing in Windows... seems like everyone's a bloody administrator) can't even write there.
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Dingo Warrigal
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Typical
08-07-2006 09:57
I'm a paranoid bastard so I'm still running Windows 2000, and I'm not going to pay for the resource kit. Luckily a clever bloke at The Code Project has done a man's job: http://www.codeproject.com/w2k/junctionpoints.aspAlso: From: http://www.pyeung.com/pages/win2k/hardlinks.html Prior to NTFS 5.0, Microsoft had not provided the ability to create hard links within their file systems. Initially, Microsoft had intended to include directory linking as a basic feature in Windows Explorer. But midway during the beta cycle, Microsoft shifted gears and decided to remove the option.
So why would Microsoft not include such a useful capability within the operating system? After all, this feature has long been available in Unix, and the OS designers intended to introduce directory linking. The problem was that Microsoft developers could not guarantee that linking would not break any existing third-party applications. Microsoft decided to leave the functionality in NTFS 5.0, but not advertise or support it.
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Strife Onizuka
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08-07-2006 12:27
I use two apps for hardlinks & reparse points (junctions / softlinks). NTFS Link I use this one almost exclusively. http://www.elsdoerfer.info/ntfslink/WinLinks, thirty4 interactive (defunct) http://web.archive.org/web/20040610200247/http://www.thirty4.com/winlinks.exe
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Argent Stonecutter
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08-07-2006 13:09
"You're SO ready for a Mac"  What? What? 
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Jolt Tank
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Put the cache on another partition
08-08-2006 06:42
Id like to see this as an intuitive part of the installer and/or configuration not have to jump through hoops...
Having a user have to hack at SL to do it is unacceptable.
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Dingo Warrigal
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08-09-2006 09:16
I'd be so ready for a Mac, mate, except for one thing...
Athlon X2 4200+ --- $180 PCIE motherboard --- $80 2GB DDR2 --- $150 nVidia 7800 video card -- $250
Getting more FPS in SL than a brand new Intel Mac Pro... for 1/4 the money... priceless.
[Edit: I recon that sounds like I'm down on Macs. Didn't mean it that way at all, folks, I'd be over the moon if I could get the latest MacOS for my bloody Wintel box, even if it cost as much for the license as I spent on the hardware.]
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Alan Kiesler
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08-10-2006 04:36
Installing SL and/or moving My Documents to another drive is perfectly doable too.
Moving the My Docs. folder is not as hard as you think, even under Win2K - TweakUI can do that, and is free for 2K et al. last I saw.
The only big reason I have a re-mount partition for the SL cache dir is to keep fragmentation down in C:
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Dingo Warrigal
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08-10-2006 13:04
What bloody good does it do to move "My Documents"?
The SL cache isn't in "My Documents", it's in another part of the profile.
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Satai Diaz
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Join date: 9 Aug 2003
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08-10-2006 14:28
To the people who keep posting those ridiculous fixes where you have to hack and slash your OS installation apart, please do not post those here. I said in my initial post I do not want to do that. Since you posted a fix the Linden's will not respond or they won't even pay it any attention at all.
Having to hack and slash your computer apart just to change a cache location is ridiculous. Not every program uses those folders, and the ones that do give an option to store the flies elsewhere. I use Adobe Premier and After Effects, if those two didn't have a cache location change option I wouldn't be able to partition my drive at all.
This really isn't a big deal to fix, in fact I'm sure i could come up with something and send it your way if that's what you want. I just don't understand why we should have to modify our Windows installation to get a fix for this.
Been here since '03, and the only other feature I asked for was to insert a feature to allow inverting the Y-axis in mouselook. They've added that, why can't they add this?
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Dingo Warrigal
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It's not just Mac vs Windows. What about VMS?
08-10-2006 16:28
In VMS you got global and local variables for this kind of thing, you could tell any bloody program to put any bloody file anywhere. You didn't have to wait for each company to come up with their own hacked up scheme to move them around. In VMS every user had their own, and every login session had their own.
It's bloody loony when a PERSONAL computer gives you less PERSONAL control over your OWN computer than a timesharing system.
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CrazyMonkey Feaver
Monkey Guy
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08-14-2006 18:52
From: Dingo Warrigal Second Life isn't the only application that uses the profile. Every program uses the profile because Microsoft set the profile up for every program to stick its bloody temporary files. That's what it's for. Settings go in the Registry (and isn't that a bleeding nuisance), the application goes in Program Files, and stuff that's too big for the Registry goes in the Profile.
Given that, they bloody well ought to let you say "stick my bloody profile on E:, where I've got space for it". But no. Buncha mad bastards the lot of them. you mean the one under Program Files? That's shared between all the users, and a normal user (as if there's such a thing in Windows... seems like everyone's a bloody administrator) can't even write there. Sorry, I did'nt mean them as questions. I know what program files and profiles are for, etc.. What I ment is I prefer a programs to store everything in its own folder only. I like program to be all nice and neat. I hate it when they spew files everywhere. I even prefer programs that don't even write to the registery, but im hard core that way 
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Argent Stonecutter
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08-14-2006 20:32
From: CrazyMonkey Feaver I prefer a programs to store everything in its own folder only. I like program to be all nice and neat. I hate it when they spew files everywhere. I even prefer programs that don't even write to the registery, but im hard core that way  What do you do if you don't have write permission on the program folder?
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CrazyMonkey Feaver
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08-15-2006 19:40
From: Argent Stonecutter What do you do if you don't have write permission on the program folder? I guess your screwed, lol.. I keep mine in e:\games\Second Life But good point. could ask where to keep the info.. which is kinda what were askin anyways.
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Argent Stonecutter
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08-16-2006 04:47
From: CrazyMonkey Feaver [If you don't have write permission on the program folder] I guess your screwed, lol.. And if you do, you're screwed. 1. In a reasonably well-designed OS, no user would normally have write permission to any location that multiple users execute programs out of. 2. Even without multiuser security, having write permission to executables in normal use is one reason Windows is such a hotbed of viruses. 3. Microsoft keeps saying they're going to lock things down. One of these days they really will. Get in the habit of pretending Windows is a reasonably well designed OS... one day it might surprise you by turning into one.  4. People who have kept files in their program folder are just asking to lose them on a cleanup. This is not such a big deal for the cache, but keeping all these files together goes... how far? There's been people complaining here about having lost stuff they built (PSDs, sound samples, etc) because uninstalling SL removed the folder. 5. What about files multiple programs use? 6. Why should every program have a separately implemented "where do I put my temp files" mechanism? The OS should take care of this. Windows just manages to do it in a horribly bad way.
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