New avatars and skins!!!

I think we should have better avatars like the ones at daz or renderosity. the ones with toes and better fingers.in other words the avatars should be more advanced. the skins should also be more advanced.right now the best skin is a photorealistic skin but i think we should have ones more advanced than that.if you want examples visit www.renderosity.com and go to the marketplace.

Yeah, and are you going to be buying everyone top of the line computers so they can get 20 fps when there's a dozen or more of these high quality avatars in one place? The reason the avatars are "low quality" right now is because we have to be able to dynamically render a lot of them in one spot. Not everyone has a video card made in the last month, not everyone has 4 gigs of RAM, and not everyone has a 5 GHz processor. Seriously, how often do you do animations involving toes? When was the last time you even went barefoot in SL? Except for intimate moments, I've yet to see people without shoes or prim feet.

As for textures, they are what you make them. If photorealistic isn't good enough for you, make something better.

Well there are settings in the graphics settings for those of us still running out of date computers. You can have a very short draw range, low graphic quality etc. I have an overpowered machine which still is not fully supported by LL. Since I put the "cure" to my dual core machine have had performance to match the sims themselves of 45 frames per second. I would like to see better graphics and perhaps real interaction between avatars. Right now the avatars don’t really interact with each other. You can position them to line up with each other but it is just not real interaction. Oh I would love to have toes

Linden Labs should be able to accommodate both the economy users and the high performance users.

There are two kinds of home computers in teh world, those that are out of date before you buy them and those that are out of date AS you buy them.

That is so true or perhaps a out of date computer is an computer old enough not to enjoy "support" from Micro$oft!

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Yes, they should, but it should be in that order. They could make SL have a higher maximum detail level, but if it affected the economy users it'd reach a point where it started to lower the population, which would be bad.

And they are planning some sort of rag-doll interaction animations-on-the-fly huzzafuzz I believe..

The question is where is the cutoff? Like Micro$oft when do you stop supporting a line of technology? Will the high end be held up to enable someone to continue to use a P3 machine with windows 98 using a graphics card with no RAM. This is the question at hand, I would like to see a better product myself. Perhaps this is what Torley Linden is hinting at. Suppose we are going to have to wait.
I would love to see real interaction and a more real avatar. Perhaps one day we will lie down on a special couch and live our second lives like "the matrix".

Wouldn't it be better for both sides if /both/ of you could play? The low end and the high end?.. and it's not like you have to make any sacrifices, you just want them to cut off support for people with low end systems so you can have a better looking avatar? That seems incredibly selfish to me.

Also why lay down on a couch? That seems like an incredibly lazy form of VR to me. I'd prefer to have some motion sensors on me so I could move and bounce around. It'd be awesome if I could go jogging in SL, so much more interesting stuff to see instead of just running beside some smoggy street and worrying about being attacked by stray dogs. o.x;

OH you got me wrong and am happy I do not have to make these decisions. Yes it would be great for everone to be able to use Second Life.



A couch was just a thought. Yes It would be nice to be able to take a Jog though Second Life while Joging in real life. I love to run in real life but get bored with treadmills and it is just too hot to be able to jog outside (41C today ) and there is another ozone alert today. Yes your ideal is much better than mine.

That's all I was worried about, also the thing is the people on low end systems are just as likely to buy lindens and such as the high end peoples(well maybe a little less likely), so the more people we have, the better it is for SL.. except greifers x.x;




Oh yeah I hate this heat, I got AC in one lil room, and I got my computer in another, and a treadmill in another. So I have to kinda hot-swap between the three because of this crazy heat.. x.x;

Also there are energy crisis situations in some areas now, So I am trying not to use any lights or anything, but I mean I need AC and computer and I want my treadmill so I feel really guilty. D:

I understand some of you guys concerns about this but dont knock the possible progress and evolution of SL. My theory is that not only will more advanced avies bring in more money for linden lab but its for us current SLers too.Think about it,you'd have alot more fun on SL if your avie looked like a real person.Also those of you with low end graphics, whose fault is that?Not mine. Playing SL you if no one else should have terrific graphics.And I believe even if things dont advance now their going to advance sooner or later.Also I couldnt possibly create the kind of avies and textures I want because we dont have the graphics that i am now asking for.

The thing is, people with new computers look down on people with 533 MHz, 128 MB SD RAM computers with some video card barely capable of handling SL's graphics and say, "geez man, upgrade!" It's obvious that would help, but it's not like they WANT to keep their slow ass computer. Not everyone can afford upgrades. Hell, I can't even afford another 512 MB of RAM for my computer and it'd cost me $40!

But a significant amount of SL's player base (and paying customers at that) run on lower end machines. And while you could justify saying, "Well, these people down here with computers barely able to get 6 fps on a good day aren't really worth supporting anymore.", you have to remember that cut off point extends with each upgrade and each passing year. Suddenly you've cut off a lot of your paying customers because they aren't "up to snuff." The Microsoft mentality is not the right way of doing business, even if technically working for the upper echelon of computer systems would produce a better program.

Besides which, once upon a time programmers wrote efficient code and made things work no matter what system they were working with. If "they" (not necessarily LL) can write physics, sound, and 3d lighting into a 64kb executable for competitions, they (LL) can make SL low end system friendly. I think it'd be a good idea for LL to put together programmer teams for those low byte programming competitions actually, if not for bragging rights then for learning new ways to write small, fast code.

point well taken Feynt

the OP obviously know nothing about realtime engines used in games and in SL

models used in daz and rederosity are models designed for imagine renders and video renders, they have like a gillion polygons to look all smooth and slick

you can't do this in a game because you don't have 2 hours to calculate an image but about 1/20 of second

http://secondlife.com/badgeo/wakka.php?wakka=RealtimeModeling

read and document yourself before making a suggestion

No, just one kind - any home computer is automatically obsolete and out of date as soon as it's offered for retail sale.

I meant two kinds, merely HOW out of date. Either before you walk into the store and coming tomorrow and buying the same system means it's the same amount of "out of date" whereas the newest most advanced machines today are "out of date" tomorrow.

SL isn't that bad. Compared with other MMORPGs its on the same level at the LEAST. There is a way to enable the debug menu (I forgot how exactly) and enable high res snapshots, though with the new snapshot system is seems mostly obsolete...? Just fiddle with your snapshot preferences and you can get some snapshots that are amazing.
Also consider that the figures you're seeing on renderosity only look like that after rendering, a process that adds intense detail and clarity- but can take 5-10 minutes to do for a single image. That isn't automatically done in programs like poser that use those figures-- it's done primarily after the fact. So to have that sort of detail constantly as an av moves etc is not going to happen for a long time. You have to rely on photorealistic skins etc to get that look....

Also, I'm not clear. What's better than photorealistic? I always thought photorealistic was a real as it gets, as in it's a photo of reality..?

OP will get her wish when we all have backbone-networked Beowulf clusters with dedicated silicon for physics processing and four concurrent GPUs. Jaysis, even movie studio animation workstations can't do what she's asking for in real time.

OR it will happen when we all get jacked in.

The morphing capabilities alone are pretty damned good in SL IMO.
All I'd like to see is something somehow combat the ugly 'stretch' you can get in some poses, and the apparently static buttocks which mean if you're swimming the breast-stroke, your arse doesn't move even though your legs are (try the swimmer thing, I forget where from, while the animation is good, the hips/bum looks helluva weird if you pay attention to it).

The ability to import custom hand-gestures would be neat, perhaps by selecting how curled or straight individual digits are (a fist being all curled, a flat hand being all straight).
Really there's not much else needed I think except maybe the wishful thinking I'm sure we all have for ragdoll physics for stuff