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How much do you think scripters are needed?

Meatwad Extraordinaire
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03-04-2005 23:36
Hi, I was wondering if people think that scripters are a great asset to the Second Life economy/society. This will help encourage people to learn to script AND hep to figure out a resonable price range for people who question it.
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Jack Lambert
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03-05-2005 01:01
*scripts autoeject for Meatwad*

Unimportant indeed.

:D

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Oz Spade
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03-05-2005 01:12
I would put scripters in with the larger whole section of SL. Theres no real "most important", because if you took away builders in SL, and just had scripters, or any other part of the SL "pie", it would significantly criple what makes SL what it is.

I also don't think you can really base prices on how important scripts are to people. If scripters were the most important thing ever, I don't think that'd justify someone charging 500L$ for a "Hello, avatar!" script. The price of the script would sanely depend on what it does + how hard it was to do/time invested, or any other variable, there have been several discussions on what to charge for what.

Scripters are of as much importance to SL as builders, texturers, clothing designers, event hosters, etc.
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Kim Charlton
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03-05-2005 01:39
From: Meatwad Extraordinaire
Hi, I was wondering if people think that scripters are a great asset to the Second Life economy/society. This will help encourage people to learn to script AND hep to figure out a resonable price range for people who question it.
Scripters are important for the future development of SL and they will become even more so. Thats simply because LSL is becoming more and more powerful with every release. I think that most of the good ideas that will come into existence from now on, will involve heavy scripting; either just local scripting or hybrid solutions involving outside systems via XML-RPC.

This does not mean, that they are the most important profession in and around SL. You do not only need implemention. For example there's gotta be an idea and a good concept too.

On the other hand, top scripters are a scarce resource (I know because I tried to recruit some; to now avail, LOL. Maybe i will have to breed my own.). So its better to be nice and tell them how important they are. :)
Torley Linden
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03-05-2005 01:50
I'm gonna throw down a ruff analogy, y0, so get jiggy with it. FRESH!

If you appreciate hip-hop culture and music like I do, then you know there are four -- erm, five elements of hip-hop:

-Deejaying
-Emceeing
-Breaking
-Graffiti art
-Beatboxing <--- newest addition but I consider it amazing when done by greats like Rakim or Kenny Muhammad

When you focus only on one at the expense of the other, that makes the creativity as a whole suffer. DJs used to be more lauded before the MCs really took the forefront, but recently, as witnessed by certain popcultural events, a balance is renewing itself and the diversity helps the whole scene -- or even scenes, plural -- to fluorish and propagate itself past its original concepts. That's dropping mad science!

Like the pillars that hold up a mighty Greek agora-slash-pantheon in some alternadimension or even the legs of a chair, you've got more than one, and they balance each other out: what would a beautiful sofa be without good poses and poseballs, not to mention classy avatars sitting on it? I could provide more examples, but this one was especially vivid in my mind so I wanted to share it with you. :)

Ain't that ill? :D
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Jack Lambert
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03-05-2005 02:06
From: Oz Spade
I would put scripters in with the larger whole section of SL. Theres no real "most important", because if you took away builders in SL, and just had scripters, or any other part of the SL "pie", it would significantly criple what makes SL what it is.

I also don't think you can really base prices on how important scripts are to people. If scripters were the most important thing ever, I don't think that'd justify someone charging 500L$ for a "Hello, avatar!" script. The price of the script would sanely depend on what it does + how hard it was to do/time invested, or any other variable, there have been several discussions on what to charge for what.

Scripters are of as much importance to SL as builders, texturers, clothing designers, event hosters, etc.


Damnit Oz, why do you always make sense.

I need some sense pills :)

--Jack Lambert

p.s. I want my L$500 for that script I wrote you..... :P
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Kasandra Morgan
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03-05-2005 06:28
Without scripters the prims would not move. Without builders the scripts would be sitting in ugly misaligned cubes. And finally without nightclubs there would be no use for any of it. So its all important.
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Ardith Mifflin
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03-05-2005 06:50
From: Kasandra Morgan
And finally without nightclubs there would be no use for any of it.


Errr... false?
Teeny Leviathan
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03-05-2005 06:52
If Second Life had no scripters, it would be The Sims Online. :D
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Hank Ramos
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03-05-2005 06:54
Script Barons must be destroyed! :eek:
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Kasandra Morgan
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03-05-2005 06:57
From: Ardith Mifflin
Errr... false?


It's really sad that I have to explain that was a joke. I know there are other uses for building and scripting. What? You thought I forgot about casinos?
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Kats Kothari
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03-05-2005 08:25
From: Oz Spade
I would put scripters in with the larger whole section of SL. Theres no real "most important", because if you took away builders in SL, and just had scripters, or any other part of the SL "pie", it would significantly criple what makes SL what it is.

I also don't think you can really base prices on how important scripts are to people. If scripters were the most important thing ever, I don't think that'd justify someone charging 500L$ for a "Hello, avatar!" script. The price of the script would sanely depend on what it does + how hard it was to do/time invested, or any other variable, there have been several discussions on what to charge for what.

Scripters are of as much importance to SL as builders, texturers, clothing designers, event hosters, etc.


What Oz said. :)
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Meatwad Extraordinaire
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03-05-2005 08:45
From: Kasandra Morgan
It's really sad that I have to explain that was a joke. I know there are other uses for building and scripting. What? You thought I forgot about casinos?

If there weren't casinos, where would that cash flow come from? :D

Great responses guys. Just wanted to remind you something... This is single users opinions meshing into one as a whole. It is not fact and no, "Hello World" scripts don't cost L$500, they cost L$499 . :p I understand the people saying SL is a group of people working together to make the great things we have right now, scripted or not, unique textures or not, elegant or not, a new piece of clothing or not, inspired by an event or for an event. The first and last questions are more like on a survey whatchmathinger: Very good, Good, Bad, Very Bad!

Thanks for the post so far. :)
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Aimee Weber
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03-05-2005 08:52
I am one of those artzy types that doesn't know a thing about scripting. But I went ahead and put down option #1. I think for what they do, scripters do not get anywhere near the recognition they deserve in the game.

Seems like the ones that hang the curtains on your boat alway get more attention than the poor guy in the engine room that actually makes the boat go :D
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Nikolaii Uritsky
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03-05-2005 13:34
i m teh stpd @ skriptng

Really, though, I cannot get over how great it is to have a partner-in-crime who is good at something you're totally not good at. I know several instances of this setup among friends in SL, and it seems to work extremely good. I build something, you script it. And when there's even more people added in, say, land/economics people, or people that are especially good with textures, then it only gets better.

Think of a group of people that are all friends. One is a skilled animator, one is a seasoned land baron, one is brilliant with Photoshop, one is great ! with people, one is an accomplished builder, one has a knack for scripting, one is a fashion designer, one is tremendously good with money, and one is great at scheming big ideas.

I cannot even begin to imagine a better-off group in SL. The more skillsets you and your "posse" posess, the better-off you're going to be.

(Forgive me for bringing this up, but would that be why the "Core" is so threatening to a lot of people? It's a group of folks who are friends, who come from very different backgrounds, have many different talents, and have been in SL for a long time, thus having been given the opportunity to hone their skills. I know -I'm- humbled in the face of a lot of the older people, and that is a large reason why. It'd be hard to do better than this "super-network", if you will. Just a thought.)

From: Aimee Weber
Seems like the ones that hang the curtains on your boat alway get more attention than the poor guy in the engine room that actually makes the boat go :D


That's because those guys wear short shorts. :D
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