Suspend the Feature Suggestion Forum

It is impossible to make a suggestion in the feature suggestion forum without someone or ones raining on your parade with comments about "But they shouldn't work on that feature till they fix some bug that bothers me!".

So why not spare those of us with new ideas the misery of proposing them in such a negative and unrewarding place by closing the feature suggestion forum?

That way we wouldn't have to experience the misery of having our good ideas pissed on by somebody who just happens to have an imperfect experience in SL but lacks the empathy to recognize that we all have imperfect experiences in SL.

The Linden development team would not get diverted by hearing new ideas to improve things and could devote their time to fixing the grouchpot's problems, every single freaking one of them, before they have even one stray new feature divert them from the one true purpose, bug fixing. After all, that is probably what is keeping them from fixing the bugs, it's not that the bugs are the result of a small team working on a major project, it's because they spend evey single minute of their work days doing nothing but reading the feature suggestion forum.

I can see it now at the Linden Lab offices - "Hey boss, I think I have a way to fix the wildly moving camera problem!" - "Not now, Underling, I am reading the feature suggestion forum endlessly, and I suggest you stop that bug fixing and start doing nothing but read the feature suggestion forum from now on if you want to stay out of the unemployment office." - "Yes, boss, I understand. No more bug fixing until after all the new ideas yet to come have arrived."

<<Pulls stick out of Sue's ass and tosses it in the woods where bears shit.

Now post a solution that doesnt involve closing a door of communication such as maybe making it a no reply thread. Meaning the creator of the post or thread is the only one other than a Linden that can reply to it.

Its a Suggestion forum and should be treated as such.

IRL do people get to pull out your suggestion and scrible all over it? I think not as most of the time suggestions are put in a locked box before management picks them up to review.

So a more readly acceptable solution may be just making it a locked forum after the intial posting of the suggestion.

Shadow.

Suez, I understand perfectly what you mean. What you mean is - will the people who always have to bitch about the need to fix bugs before implementing any new features kindly place their posts in a more appropriate place?

Shadow, maybe you need to see someone about your SDI problem. (Sarcasm Detection Inadequacy) . For those who need clues, there's a rolling eyes icon associated with the with post. The rolling eyes, if you let the popup help for them appear, say "Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)"

On the one hand I think it's good for there to be a discussion on feature suggestions. I know when I have an idea for SL it's often roughly formed and I'm interested in seeing other people expand on it or take it in a different direction, or even point out something I missed. On the other hand, it can seem like some people see new suggestions as implicitly competing with their own priorities. I wonder if it's true. I mean do the Lindens pay much attention to these arguments over why something shouldn't even be considered before another change is made? Considering what's ended up in the various releases, I'm not sure that they do.

Shadow Weaver, the hostility of your response suggests that you might be in need of a good meal and a sound nights sleep. Responses make more sense if you understand the post you are replying to. Maybe it would be good for you to have a friend review your posts and the messages they are in response to to help keep you from embarrassing yourself in public.

Cadroe - of course feature suggestions need to be discussed. The suggestion to suspend the Feature Suggestions forum is a joke. Many times when someone suggests "New Feature A" and there will be many responses of the form "New Feature A is fine, but I hope they don't spend time on it till they Fix Bug B" . They then go on to describe Bug B at great length, creating a sour, looking back at mistakes attitude in what should be a positive, looking forward to improvements thread. What I am suggesting is that it would make much more sense for folks to put their Bug Report discussions in the Technical Issues forum, email their complaints to support, and call support on the phone, instead of decreasing the usefulness of the Feature Suggetions forum by fouling the place up with their off-topic thread cohesion destroying sour attitude bitching about bugs not even related at all to the suggestion being made.

Oh I got the joke. Just trying to comment evenhandedly

Interesting, you belittle me due to a half waken reply yet you answer my request by directing it at someone else. Interesting indeed.

Apparently I understood the post better than your initial intent.
But that's ok public embarrassment is good for character if you use it appropriately.
Especially when it’s done from a half waken stupor.

At least you offered up a solution instead of just bitching and whining about it more.
So in that respect I am pleased with the response even though it wasn’t directed back to me.

Often times directed conflicts bring out some prolific responses and solutions.

So what other solutions do you have to offer?

Shadow

So someone misunderstood a post ... happens all the time, no biggie.

There was however a very serious point to Suezanne's post, because people do knock well-considered suggestions on the head all the time in a very destructive way for pretty hairbrained reasons.

Just because things like bug fixes must have extremely high priority doesn't mean that some feature suggestion isn't extremely worthwhile, even a feature that entails a huge amount of extra work. Ideas stand and fall on their own merits, and work prioritization is a completely separate affair.

See, Morgaine gets it...

On a slightly related note ... anyone who can count will of course know that the number of really fantastically good, world-beating feature suggestions that have been proposed outnumbers the ones that LL has implemented by 10 megabazillion to a tiny handful.

This is sad, all that enthusiasm and creativity wasted because of infinitessimally small development resources at LL. (The ones in Redmond are also infinitessimally small in this context.)

We *badly* need some open-source world, MMOG or metaverse prototype to really take off and become an effective conduit for people's ideas, energies, and effort. This train into the future is currently on such slow tracks ...

Go Morgaine go!



Yes, I find the feature suggestions forum to be beyond absurd that so little of it gets implemented.

Leave it be. Some of us (like me) enjoy preying on the ideas in a constructive manner. I frequent the forum not because I expect to see much implemented by Linden Labs, but rather because I like pointing out the technical merits and limitations of an idea. I also enjoy teaching residents to build these features themselves, as in many cases a feature can be created or worked out with the existing system.

So, while it may fall victim to a lot of "Mr. Fix-it comes first," it still presents a relevant discussion and place to vent ideas if, for nothing else, to vent them. This may be enhanced at some point, but as it stands, the forum presents a generally positive outpouring of ideas.

And, last I checked, social engineering has its merits.