Kazaa offices raided...

This is terrible. Not that I'm a huge Kazaa fan or anything, but it still strikes me as wrong.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/02/06/kazaa.raid.ap/index.html

Did Metallica send them?

When it comes to Kazaa there's not a whole lot that isn't wrong.

I'm suprised, I am convinced that kazaa is part of a plot launched by Sony to destroy any computer that partakes in file sharing. Its a horrible horribel app.

I agree.... Kazaa Lite is much better.

Ugh... thats rediculous.

Seems like harassment to me

I downloaded Kazaa Lite once. Then deleted it cuase of problems with it. It stated right in the download disclosure that Kazaa Lite is an illegal program.

LOL

BTW Eggy, Maerl is back. She has access to the game right now, but not the forums, so coame see her.

Does it strike you (any of you for that matter, I don't mean to single out Perpetual) as wrong because you believe Kazaa shouldn't be liable for their customer's abuse of their software, or because you think other's work should be distributed however you see fit?

The entire hype about music, movie, imagery, etc (aka "media") being "okay" to "share" cracks me up. It's stealing, plain and simple. What cracks me up even more are those that try to justify it, like my friend at work who just two nights ago said (in a discussion over this very subject), "ooh but CDs cost $20! Those recording companies charge too much!" To which I replied, "then do not buy them, and the prices will drop to what consumers (honest ones anyway) are willing to pay. They [recording companies] OWN the right to charge whatever the heck they want. You, the customer have the right to refuse to pay it." Soon after we broke into a fist-a-cuffs, and even though my friend's a gurl, she managed to kick my butt. err...

...back to the topic, of Kazaa and the raid. I personally don't believe Kazaa should be liable, unless there is proven intent that they encouraged the users of their software to be use it for illegal trading of copyrighted goods. I don't however agree in the slightest with anyone that thinks "trading" music over the net is justifiable.

Bos

***RUSHES TO DOWNLOAD SL***

You don't even use SL anymore Eggy?

I think its wrong because they are basicly bursting in to find evidence they don't have so they can, uh, burst in again? Its like saying someones guilty so you can see if they're REALLY guilty.

I don't think any software company should be held liable for what users do with it unless they are saying "Go do this illegal thing now!", and if you say "they're saying that by providing the software", uh, no. No one is busting down Linus Trivolds door and/or Steve Job's because they wrote software crackers may use and may use to do illegal activities.

Its just another form of record companies using their power and money to bend the law how they see fit.

I haven't baught a CD in years, not because of the price, but because most of the music I like is obscure that it would be hard to track down localy, or its not even on a CD.

I do not listen to the radio that often, and do not like much "mainstream" music that is out now.

Their premise for conducting the raid was all wrong. Its like raiding the corporate offices of General Motors because drug kingpins prefer Cadillac Escalades, and since GM manufactures said vehicle, GM is guilty of laundering drug money. Its too huge a leap in logic. In the end, even a mediocre lawyer can shoot enough holes in the music industry's case against Sharman.

this doesnt surprise me.... kazza has been an issue for the cops for a while and I guess I just dont see whats wrong with it. But yah artists would make alot more money without it, except wed just find a different music sharing site

Did I read this wrong, but was it investegators hired by the recording industry and not police that conducted the raid?



Can a private company or organization conduct their own raid? From the article it seems like they can under the Anton Pillar law. I'm confused. Anyone in Australia care to clarify this.

Little

Don't you know the RIAA and RIAA-clones (Aust has one) are above the law? They're special, they can do things that normal corporations can't. They have enough money that they can buy laws. yay DMCA

If Kazaa and all file sharing stopped today, the artists wouldn't make hardly $h1t more money, the RIAA-organizations would. So no, I don't think it's worth spending millions of taxpayers dollars (because this is what it would take, alot more probably) to "protect" the "property" of the RIAA. I feel so bad for them! The cops have more important things to do than catch rapists, murderers, drug dealers, and other criminals! There's literally MILLIONS of file sharers out there! Build more prisons OMG!

The RIAA is stupid. They always take the complete wrong approach. They could have been making money off of file sharing all this time... But if they think that some 16 year old with NO JOB is making them lose money by downloading music (this is the kind of thing they basically claim), they are fools.

Also, although it doesn't justify file sharing, CD music IS way, way overpriced. Movies barely cost more than some CDs and think about how much more movies consist of (not to mention, um, the soundtrack of the movie which is basically equal to a cd by itself). If CD music was always a reasonable price, file sharing wouldn't have taken off as much as it has.

The thing to do is boycott RIAA trash.
www.boycott-RIAA.com

The major problem I have with shutting down file sharing services is that it stops us from being able to share stuff that really is "free". There's probably 10x more "Indie" music out there than RIAA junk. The "core" of the RIAA trash music is utter garbage anyway, look at the MOST popular music out there (the stuff that the RIAA goes after people for). Much of it is all "show" much like the recent Hollywood craze of acting like an imbecile to get attention. Opinion of course...

No, I don't think we should ban CD burners because they give us the ability to do some things that are illegal. Nor packet sniffers, nor file sharing, or any other type of software (other than viruses).

Knives can be dangerous, let's ban them.

Writable CDs can be used to copy copyrighted work, let's ban them.

Websites can be used to display copyrighted material, let's ban them.

Video recorders can be used to capture copyrighted material, let's ban them. And yes that includes those little cell phones that can take pictures, ban them too.

Computers can be used to hack into government systems, let's ban them.

Beards like Bin Laden has offend me, let's ban them too. (Yay France...skewl is fun again)

Putting up your middle finger can hurt someone's feelings, let's ban that.

Yay laws!

hehe... (admittedly veering off topic)

Well, not quite, but the RIAA/MPAA are still lobbying to get a levy included in the price of every blank cd sold worldwide to cover the cost of all that music that us pirates are going to steal and burn onto them. All except in Canada of course... since they've had this tax enforced since 2000.

As I'm sure you all appreciate, it's grossly unfair to assume that the only thing anyone ever wants to burn onto a cd is ripped music you haven't paid for, but then whoever said the RIAA/MPAA were fair?

--

Kris

who's been boycotting RIAA/MPAA since way before it was fashionable

Another nice link: http://www.eff.org/

What I don't get is, theres HOW many people who share files in US?

Not all of them are over 18, but a fair share are, why don't we all get together and demand it be legalized and that the RIAA be disbanded? This IS a democracy (right?) after all. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!

Ok... that would never work. But still, no ones even trying it. We're just letting ourselves be sued by a company who still wants us to buy their product after it. If Pepsi sued you for drinking their drink that you got from a friend instead of buying yourself, would you still want to drink Pepsi?

Speaking of Pepsi, anyone see that iTunes comercial? That is the most anoying thing, it makes me want to punch my tv. Its a snide and mockingly commercial, with a song with the lyrics "I faught the law, and the law won" playing in the background and kids (most probly under 1 saying how "I download music, and theres nothing anyone can do about it." (rebelious oooooo) and its all about "Download Music. Legaly.".

Its that whole, hey, be a rebel, download music cuse its cool, but oh, do it legaly. Its for some contest where you can win to download free songs off iTunes or something.

Which I'm not against that, iTunes and other services like it are smart for taking advantage rather than sueing everybody. But the attitude of the commercial just irks me so much.

While I'm ranting... the new Napster pisses me off to... "Napsters back" MY ASS it is. Thats not Napster, thats Metallica with a blue cat mask.

Once again its not the fact that they're charging thats bothering me, its the way they present themselves as the same ol Napster, but now with new songs! But oh, you have to pay, but thats ok cuse Napster is cool and hip and (insert marketing buzzword here)!!

I find it rediculous that an industry would sue its own consumers and then tell them to still consume. If you make someone poor from a lawsuit how can you expect them to continue to buy your product? If anything most likely it makes people want to get it for free MORE. I'm sure there are many people who download because the RIAA doesn't want them too. (you know they exist)

Yep Kris, I know about that. @#$% the RIAA, I use CDs to back up crap on my computer, not make illegal copies of TRASH MUSIC. Artificially jacking up the price for that reason is stupid. That's like raising the price all people pay for cable TV because some people steal it. (???)

Yeah, EFF is good.

Instead of appearing all heavy handed 'n' high and mighty and dealing with everyone as if they were bugs to be squished underfoot, I always thought that the RIAA might get their point across better if they attempted to explain the errors of their ways to file sharers in terms they would understand:

"Our C@mP4I9n 49A1N5t 1lL3g4L FILe 5h4R3r5 15 N0t mi55INg @ 8e4+," said Cary Sherman, President, RIAA. "THE mE5549E +0 1LlE94L ph1l3 Sh4R3r5 5H0Uld B3 4s Cl34R 45 EVER - W3 C4N @nd WILl cOn+1nuE +O bR1ng l@W5U1t$ ON @ rE9uL4r B4S15 @9AIN$+ +H0$3 WH0 iLl3g4lLY dI$+r1BUT3 C0Pyr19hT3d MU$iC. LOLOLOLOL"

Erm. Mebbe not.

yes, I'm bored.

Bwahahah DIE KAZZA DIE! Imesh is much better