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Petition against new SL economy policy

Shiryu Musashi
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01-11-2005 10:43
I made 6 signs to support the petition against the new SL economic polocy and placed them in a package anyone can take and use.



the signs come in two colors (black and white) and 3 versions for each color, for shops, clubs and agencies. they automatically give a notecard with the petition url and the sign pack itself for others to use.

All of them are set to full permissions so you can size and modify them as much as you like.

At the moment you can find them on the plaza in front of my shop at (Anton 122,241) (just click on the sign itself to receive the pack)
and on SLexchange and Secondserver and i hope to see them all around SL as soon as other people place them.

Thank you for your attention and please support the petition!
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Shiryu Musashi
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01-11-2005 11:14
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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01-11-2005 11:17
Adapt or die. It's not hard. It's called capitalism.

I sell services, I won't be affected in the least. Perhaps a slightly less expensive service, but oh well.

End of the world it is not.

Guarantee: in two months this issue will be forgotten.

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Cristiano Midnight
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01-11-2005 11:24
Shiryu,

We have gone through reduction in stipends and changes in event support before, with all the gloom and doom predictions to go with it, yet the economy has become more and more robust. If the glut of money being dumped into the economy is left unchecked, your store, my store, anyone's store will be worthless because the L$ will be worthless ultimately. I have as much of a vested interest in stores surviving as you do, and I completely support the changes that are being made (other than the ill conceived eBay tie in). Linden Lab is very protective of the economy, and would not be doing this if it were not necessary for the economy to continue to grow.

The net effect is slightly lowered prices, which is not a bad thing, considering prices have reached some outrageous proportions. The reduction in the amount of L$ flooding the market will help to keep the value of the L$ up and even rise beyond its current value. We have gone far too long with out many money sinks within the economy, and far too much free money being produced out of thin air. Change is often met with fear, but this is all bordering on histrionics.
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Regina Raven
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dont let the changes happen
01-11-2005 11:26
SL is mainly about doing the things you cant do in real life possible.If this changes people will be limited to that.Its fun to do the events and helps people get Linden.This isnt about real life and SecondLife shouldn't be about changing the money system.Personally i think its ridiculous.People come here to get rid of their real life problems,why make more problems in second life.
Alby Yellowknife
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01-11-2005 11:26
Who's got some Spray Paint? Time to modify these signs..
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01-11-2005 11:27
Dont you have PSP its got a spray can..LOL
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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01-11-2005 11:32
From: Regina Raven
SL is mainly about doing the things you cant do in real life possible.If this changes people will be limited to that.Its fun to do the events and helps people get Linden.This isnt about real life and SecondLife shouldn't be about changing the money system.Personally i think its ridiculous.People come here to get rid of their real life problems,why make more problems in second life.


How is it causing you real world grief? It's play money, in a play world. Stuff will cost less, not more.

This is a Good Thing.

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Shiryu Musashi
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01-11-2005 11:59
Cris, i considered the points you make, and if i could even accept a reduption in the stipend bonus (that is kinda marginal compared to what one can do even with an hired job), i do not agree to the removal of funding to clubs (and i don't even have a club).

Clubs are a big source of jobs in Second Life, and cutting their funding will cause most of them to close down, thus removing LOTS of job opportunities for residents.
Less jobs means the money will flow much less and not everyone can afford using GOM, exactly like not everyone can affort spending many hours in front of the comp to run a shop or an activity.
This BIG bash on clubs will basically halve (or worse) the job opportunities for all the residents that for a reason or another cannot afford to spend many hours a day playing second life (all other jobs require online time, a lot of it), that used fit perfectly in the jobs offered by clubs.
This change will only create a BIG mob of poor people that lacking online time (yes, there is someone that has a first life, lol) can't afford to have a different activity than a for hire one, who are the biggerst sourcs of hiring in Second Life? Clubs. And what happens if clubs disappear or drastically reduce?
Now someone could argue that less clubs and less events like "PANTY CONTEST 500 L$ PRIZE!!" are a change for the better, but one should consider how many opportunities all those "worthless" contests and events create.

Now after considering that, the problem will increase in size, because with a lot of jobs gone into the recycle bin, money will flow much less, this meaning people will buy much less, (and i doubt that even reducing prices can really avoid this, unless you sell things for half price, or even less than that).
Designers will be forced to drastically reduce their prices, making designing unrewarding, EXPECIALLY for perfectionists, that spend MANY hours to get their products made in the best way they can.
My worst fear is that speed designing clothes that are just average in quality will become more rewarding than designing with care, love and passion.

Clubs are a strong drive for the SL economy. Killing them is not gonna cause anything good.
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01-11-2005 12:05
From: Shiryu Musashi
My worst fear is that speed designing clothes that are just average in quality will become more rewarding than designing with care, love and passion. Clubs are a strong drive for the SL economy. Killing them is not gonna cause anything good.


How about a petition in FAVOR of the new structure. I am sorry to upset some people, but I really believe that inflation (i.e. massive price increases across the board) was coming and would NOT be good for anybody. Of all the things LL could have done to stem inflationary pressures, these are pretty harmless.

Clubs still have dwell. They will still exist.

I design everything I build with care because I want to... not because of the L$ or ratings or anything else. I think you'll find that good clothing designers remain good clothing designers.

You think great artists create because of the money? Art is about the worst paying job on the planet for 99% of its participants.
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01-11-2005 12:06
From: Cristiano Midnight
Shiryu,

We have gone through reduction in stipends and changes in event support before, with all the gloom and doom predictions to go with it, yet the economy has become more and more robust. If the glut of money being dumped into the economy is left unchecked, your store, my store, anyone's store will be worthless because the L$ will be worthless ultimately. I have as much of a vested interest in stores surviving as you do, and I completely support the changes that are being made (other than the ill conceived eBay tie in). Linden Lab is very protective of the economy, and would not be doing this if it were not necessary for the economy to continue to grow.

The net effect is slightly lowered prices, which is not a bad thing, considering prices have reached some outrageous proportions. The reduction in the amount of L$ flooding the market will help to keep the value of the L$ up and even rise beyond its current value. We have gone far too long with out many money sinks within the economy, and far too much free money being produced out of thin air. Change is often met with fear, but this is all bordering on histrionics.


I can't believe I am saying this - but - I am one with you on this issue, C!
Alby Yellowknife
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01-11-2005 12:07
From: Forseti Svarog

You think great artists create because of the money? Art is about the worst paying job on the planet for 99% of its participants.



Thats why all Artist have bleeding hearts and are starving. LOL
Jacqueline Richelieu
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01-11-2005 12:08
From: Shiryu Musashi




Clubs are a strong drive for the SL economy. Killing them is not gonna cause anything good.


There are more clubs than the economy can support. Some of them closing was a foregone conclusion even before the economic changes.
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01-11-2005 12:09
as a wise man once said

Here's your sign.....
Shiryu Musashi
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01-11-2005 12:09
Foresti, i totally agree on the fact that inflation is a very bad thing. But fighting inflation causing a depression is not a good thing either. Simply reducing the supply to raise demand is a very simplicistic solution, and as all simplicistic solutions it's also short sighted.
Linden dollars income from sales is a way to see your work is appreciated, an incentive to increase quality even more, and yes, even a reward for all the hours you spend in your products. Of course it's a pleasure to design, but one must consider all the time he spends on it, and time has costs, in power, internet fees and even the fees we pay to linden labs.
It's only fair that designers (or club owners, or whoever else that offers a service) get an income for what they do.

Jacqueline: the clubs that were not having success due to lack of peopekle going there were already closing, a MUCH better idea would have had cutting pay to events that dont get enough attendance. This way empty clubs would be forced to close without affecting clubs that actually ggive fun to people and lindens to their employees.
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01-11-2005 12:11
From: Shiryu Musashi
Foresti, i totally agree on the fact that inflation is a very bad thing. But fighting inflation causing a depression is not a good thing either. Simply reducing the supply to raise demand is a very simplicistic solution, and as all simplicistic solutions it's also short sighted.
Linden dollars income from sales is a way to see your work is appreciated, an incentive to increase quality even more, and yes, even a reward for all the hours you spend in your products. Of course it's a pleasure to design, but one must consider all the time he spends on it, and time has costs, in power, internet fees and even the fees we pay to linden labs.
It's only fair that designers (or club owners, or whoever else that offers a service) get an income for what they do.



How do you know this is causing a depression?
Shiryu Musashi
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01-11-2005 12:17
People having less money means they will buy less and only at cheaper prices. This is called depression
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-11-2005 12:20
From: Jacqueline Richelieu
I can't believe I am saying this - but - I am one with you on this issue, C!


I'm right there with you and C!...
Shiryu Musashi
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01-11-2005 12:21
Just to clarify, in no way i think there should be NO change, but a more balanced solution would need to be found (like cutting stipend bonuses and cut support for events ONLY to the events that dont get enough attendance).
I think that would be enough to decrease inflation without having a detrimental effect on economy.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-11-2005 12:22
From: Shiryu Musashi
People having less money means they will buy less and only at cheaper prices. This is called depression





Your missing everything... And Inflation means everybody has too much money and prices get cheaper because the supply of L$ is everywhere.

SL has Inflation issues and the policy change will reign in that inflation.
Shiryu Musashi
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01-11-2005 12:25
... But the change is so drastic that will cause a depression. Thats why there is a dire need for a more balanced solution.
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01-11-2005 12:30
From: Shiryu Musashi
... But the change is so drastic that will cause a depression. Thats why there is a dire need for a more balanced solution.


I won't argue that there is risk of recession/depression here -- sure, Shirya, it could happen. But "could happen" and "will happen" are two different things. One thing about having a small company like LL in charge (rather than government bureaucracy) is that they should be flexible. If a recession hits and starts sliding into depression, then LL should be able to make new changes to policy to rectify this... get more L$'s into circulation...
Shiryu Musashi
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01-11-2005 13:42
True, then why not trying a more soft and balanced solution first and then if it doesnt work increase the pressure?
THis way the change will be more gradual, and people would have time to get used to it.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-11-2005 13:45
From: Shiryu Musashi
True, then why not trying a more soft and balanced solution first and then if it doesnt work increase the pressure?
THis way the change will be more gradual, and people would have time to get used to it.



Thats the Hippie way and it never works. You don't tear down a building piece by piece. You blow it up and start building a new and better building on the same site.
Shiryu Musashi
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01-11-2005 13:52
Economy is not a building.
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