The "unarmed civilians" killed Hassan

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/16/iraq.hassan/index.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138723,00.html

They kill someone who lived in their country for decades, trying to give them medical help and food.

Are these people human beings? No.

I believe it's time to withdraw our troops completely. Because it's time to get the nukes out. This has to end.

Hmmm ,,, and she was also married to an Iraqi man and and and den, she was also a goddamn Iraqi naturalized citizen. I love this country.

The Base Of Jihad group is hardly "unarmed civilians" and your reaction is exactly what they want. We're spending billions that we can't afford fighting a reactionary war against these small groups who want to be martyrs. Unless we start to wage peace instead of war we may very well end up bankrupted, which is their plan. The more we fight the more martyrs they enlist to perform these heinous acts. It costs them nothing. They'll spread us out to as many fronts as they can requiring an ever greater investment in waging the war until we win (which is impossible) or end up bankrupt like the Soviet Union. What they're doing is awful, indefensibe, and utterly brilliant.

That's my point, Chip. 2-3 Nukes in the right places would stop this. It would stop the bloodshed. Stop the constant financial drain.

They'll get over it.

Japan did.

Aaron - in your question "Are these people human beings?", by "these people" are you refering to the entire population of Iraq? Do you really think we need to nuke the entire population of Iraq because Iraq terrorists killed a British Care Worker?

That's the problem with dehumanization - it can so easily lead to extermination.

The only way that we will stop this sort of thing is to address the root cause of terrorism, nuking an entire population of people won't change anything toward that end and would most likely exacerbate terrorist activity - as the U.S. invasion of Iraq has proved.

Sorry - but the only people we have to blame for this are ourselves. Put yourself in their shoes. If the European Union decided one day that the U.S. was a threat to their safety and launched a pre-emptive strike against us and then occupied our country....

What do you think we would do? Do you think we might strap bombs on ourselves and take a couple of them out with us? Do you think we might just fight back? Do you think that even those people who don't agree with our governments policies would just lay back and allow the European Union to invade our country?

Think about it.

Where would you drop them? They're spread all over the earth. You'd instantly turn a lot of benign Islamic groups into Jihadists. I don't know what the answer is, but nukes definitely isn't it.

...they would be met with flowers and chocolates for liberating us.

Hard to believe some people killing one of their own, isn't it? Of course, it doesn't only happen over there.. anyone remember McVeigh?

Well - by at least 49% of the population anyway.

LOL!

The whole nukem thing blows my mind....do people really not realize the global effect of nuclear warfare? Blowing up innocent families, buring children, causing people death through the destruction of their veins causing them to bleed out of every orifice, rendering the area completely uninhabitable for gererations...is this the manner in which society should render freedom? pfft I say. Fuck the nukes...let's try civility. People die in war. People die in major cities in the US everyday but nobody is saying nuke Chicago. If we do not want war we have to dethrone the war lord..well we had our chance and failed. So now this is what we are left with. Nukes do not solve the problem...though a change of regime may have.

The whole nuke thing was out of anger over Hassan's murder.

I do believe we need to hit harder than we are. Maybe not nuke-strong.

The murder of one man by one man should not be a battle cry to kill more men...it should be a wake up call that innocents on both sides are being killed for no reason.

We should all be angry...but be angry at the root cause not the outcome. The outcome of war is always death. The root cause of the death was that the US was hit by a known group of radical terrorists, but instead of beating up the bully who hit us the US decided to go after an easier target. It has backfired...death is the result.
I do not know the answer to ending this war...I do not know the best way to rationalize the mental and physical effects of war. But I do know that everything that has happened on both sides is just wrong. Men, women, children dying, being crippled, all living with these images for the rest of their lives for the wrong reason is just wrong. And for what oil, religion, misplaced revenge....I wish that I had the intelligence to figure it out. The ends are not justifying the means. And more bombs will not equal a better end.

This death is especially heartbreaking. I am haunted by the images of her crying and begging for her life on video after being kidnapped. To do this to one of their own people, who has done nothing but help them is unspeakable, and shows that they are below even being barbaric animals.

But there are barbaric animals in all countries...maybe not on video but they are on the news every night. An entire country cannot be judged by the barbaric acts of a few. If this were so then the US would be deemed a barbaric country. Our murder rate is heads and shoulders above most of the world but noone says that the entire city of Chicago or Miami or Charlotte consists of barbarians due to the acts of the few and should be nuked. Those who commit the acts are animals not their neighbors. There are animals everywhere. It still does not make the war any more correct than if someone decided to go to war against one of our states where the local "government" is controlled by gangs of mad insane people who kill innocents for their own benefit. They are fighting on their turf, the US invaded now there is war and war is ugly.

I agree with you - it is about the act. I am opposed to the war in Iraq, and the longer we are there, the more tragic it becomes. I reread my post, and if it was not clear, I was not saying that all Iraqis are barbaric, only those who do these kinds of things. BTW, don't knock Miami - it is nowhere near the top 10 in murder rates anymore (Jacksonville is the murder capital of Florida, not Miami) it has changed dramatically. Now Chicago, that place is scary

So much for love conquering hate

lol you are so right...and I take back my Miami comment

Good point, Christiano.
As a Los Angeles resident, I'm glad the rest of the world doesn't assume all of us behave as badly as some of our more famous residents, like the Manson "family" or the Night Stalker...

Osama couldn't have said it any better!

Its real easy to talk of nuking millions of innocent people to hit the thousands of fundamentalist idiots. Makes about as much sense as flying passenger jets into skyscrapers.

I totally agree