Land Angels Group Kick-a-Thon

Today i get the famous blue pop up box saying that i need to vote for the land angels group. The recall was initiated by jauani, someone then asks in group im what this was for and juanai continues to tell them why i should be out of the group. It seems that juanai is taking it personal that i said in the forums that some people are just in the group to watch things and make sure no one is skimming off the top. One has to really ask themself is this trying to get out the people that are "watching" things and makeing sure nothing foul goes on so its a tight knit group? I know most of the people in the group personally and have seen them in world and have most of there cards prior to the group. And i do not think most would do anything but honorable so it really makes me wonder what the problem is.

Good question.

You'd think that someone taking an a real interest in what's going on would be a *good* thing and not to be discouraged.

Kudos to Billy to do what a lot of other people around here wouldn't bother doing, they'd just grief without doing the research.

One question about the Land Angels - is it fair to say they are trading undesirable 1024 m2 for desirable 512 m2? Or am I off my rocker?

What happens when the new user finds out that he gave up his good stuff?

thank you for the expected forum drama.

i have no problem with watchdogs, and for that reason we have cristiano and ursa. i welcome other upstanding players.

1> it is my opinion that billy is a player who is trying to do anything he can to restore his reputation. unlike the other two who are widely respected and trusted, billy is often embroiled in drama, accusations and questions on his credibility and trustworthyness

2> billy used to be a land baron

3> billy is not very good at expressing himself. his comments in regards to the land angels group imply that players are untrustworthy to begin with. they are not constructive for developing this non profit group if the watchdogs themselves make comments that unnecessarily malign the character of members.

4> my experience with billy at the time of purchasing larsen was negative and suggested to me that at the time he was participating in land auctions practices that violate LL regulations and US laws. regardless of whether my suspicions were correct he willfully tried to coerce me.

billy may or may not be an upstanding guy now but he does not demonstrate any qualities i find useful for the role he is to play which ursa or cristiano do not fulfill. if billy will allow, i can post our conversation in world which he is conciously misrepresenting.

please also note, that billy's post is premature as the decision hasn't been made by other members of the group.

Hmm.. my question went unanswered. I suspect this was just an oversight, and the answer is no, land angels are not preying on new user naivety .. but I like to be sure about things:

blaze,
i am unqualified to answer your question. i was told the objective of the group and i trust the active members to uphold that objective. i'm sure when one of the active member gets to the forum they can answer the question. i just donate a little bit of my tier for free to the group.

First of all, Chances are i will quit the group on my own accord. If juanai wants to do things and not have people standing over him/her that is fine by my but i will not allocate any of my resources to this group or there "cause" .


1) My reputation for those who actually know me is a very outstanding reputation. Those who do not know me and only know me from the debates on the forums are expected to have a diff opinion about me.

2) Yes, I was a land baron and have said that many times and in many post. Its no secret so you will have to try to find better skeletons in my closet. I no longer buy land to resell and i do own a huge amount of land which i have owned for months now. Unless you are paying for the land or my tier you have no right to question what i own.

3) The comments made about the group are nothing new. You should really think before you go into battle. You are basically stating that you do not want me in the group because i am a "watchdog" and that i want to make sure everything runs smoothly(another reason for me to leave the group because if jauani wants to do something shady and doesnt want me to know about it i will happily leave because i do not associate with such characters)

4) Yes i did attempt to purchase larsen from you. Coerce you? No. And as far as what you are saying about violating us and LL auction TOS i think you just hurt yourself by stateing that. You tried to mark up the price of larsen 600 usd not even 5 min after you won the land and before you even claimed it. That in itself should be a crime.

Also cristiano i know personally and have been in bussiness with for quite some time and i think he is 100% honest. But what you need to ask yourself is does he know as much as me about the land market? And is he inworld as much as me?

Jauani it hurts me that you would try to do something behind my back and i just wish that you would not bring land angels down while doing whatever it is you are attempting to do.

If you only donate your tier to the group what is the problem and why do you want me out so badly?

When this was first proposed, I must admit I thought it was a good idea. It occurs to me now, that it is a bit dangerous and doesn't serve anyones purposes, not even the land reseller themselves.

A new user, once he's realised that his new land is an unwanted dud, is going to be quite upset and is going to have a bad taste in their mouth with regards to the person who sold them the land.

This is not the way to spread good word of mouth.

It seems to me that this is a bad idea, not just for new users, but for land sellers themselves.

Why not simply have promotional deals for new users? For example, new users can buy this new land really cheap? When they claim their land, they can buy another 512 m2 really cheap or something.

Or how about donating land as prizes for events that people go to?

Or a 10 l$ lottery for the land?

It seems to me there are lots of ways the land could be unloaded without having to upset anyone..

i am within my right as an officer of the group to recall a player that i believe is either incompetent for the role they play or is of questionable character.

i believe your comments of your role are worded such that they imply that the founder of this group is untrustworthy to begin with. you could have said your role was that of "an observer overseeing the activites of the group to make sure they are operating as advertised/mandated." instead you chose to say that you were a watchdog making sure that the founder didn't skim from the top.

as for larsen, i was prepared to sell it to you ONLY on a 400$ markup (200 going to LL for tier). why should i sell you the sim (which i still own) to you if it wasn't worth my time? what you fail to mention is you implied there was market collusion going on on the auctions to benefit you. you told me everyone knew you were going for that sim and if i hadn't bid you would have gotten it for 1200. you also promised me if i sold it to you that nobody you were connected to would bid against me in the next sim auction. i have a chat log.

i didn't try to do anything behind your back. i placed the recall while you were inworld and had a long (logged) discussion with you about my main reason for taking this action.

Nope what happend was someone bid more but the auction didnt take it. And you tried to charge them 600usd more then you paid. This person will most likely post here and you know who it is.. and who in the group isnt an officer? LOL

I'd like hear more about the land angels though..

i believe this group will contribute a lot to new players and encourage them to become lasting members of the game community.

i don't believe you will further that cause. these are all my opinions:
a> questionable character
b> not objective
c> does not reflect well textually
d> bad experience in the past

based on my assessment, and as an officer, i am within my right to recall you. other officers are within their right to vote to keep you in. if they do vote to keep you in for whatever reason, and i observe you undermining the group, i will reconsider my own membership.

now stop giving me drama because your pride is hurt and you aren't anshe's big bad policeman!

what do you not understand?!