daydreaming

when i read this

and this

i wonder what a world built by the residents would look like. we're apparently not going to know any time soon.

I own land in Rose and Neal and I have spoken about this. There is absolutely no reason this can't be done other than the fact that those people screaming FIC are probably on the lindens mind and they are afraid to do anything specifically for someone now.

Considering it doesn't affect any saleable land in rose and everyone in the sim wants it I don't see what the big deal is for a small waterway to the ocean...Neal has been in Rose forever as well as Vincent Fate...and I've been there for 8 months or so..not like we're going anywhere.

Oh well we can sail in small circles around the waterways that all the residents hooked up together.....our metaverse will just be that much smaller.

Yeah, I hear ya. I don't own much in Rose myself, but I went so far as to piece together a mockup of the way I would see it. Pictures shall follow as soon as I get at them.

Unfortunately... it's not the situation so much as the precident it would form. Another case of a few bad apples spoiling the barrel for us folks? Probably. But that's the way these things go...

Edit: Added.

Shot 1: How it looks now.
Shot 2: My take on it, without trees.
Shot 3: My take on how the final product should look.

I'm not exactly an artist, but I think this should give you a fair idea of the way I see it. Done in Painter IX and the GIMP, not in-world.

Oh, puleeze, spare the tears and recriminations.

Nobody is "spoiling" anything.

If you want a parcel with waterfront access, you search for it, you buy it in world or you buy it on the auction, and you pay the price it costs.

You don't go asking the Lindens to fix it up for you after the fact.

There is no way they could open up a precedent like that, it would be endless.

There are millions of Linden Land situations people would like to change. Stupid parcelings. Awkward parcelings. Parcelings right in the middle of MY land.

But the Linden forums have a post that says very explicitly, we can't sell you Linden land and we can't change it.

I agree with Ben. Portage. Put in a TP. Move. But stop whining, and stop blaming others for what is in fact a reasonable and equitable policy that needs to be enforced.

I think this argument represents the exact, opposite extreme. I won't say who is right, but as a little fun fact - Portage is also fairly taken at present. I know many of the landholders in that region (at least the North-West corner), and there's, in fact, already at least one club there already.

In general though, I would agree with this sentiment of "if you don't like it, move." Believe me, I did so at least three to five times before finally residing in Rose et al. However, you're asking roughly 7 landholders to pick up and move to get land somewhere else in a similar pattern, and this is pretty damned unrealistic short of purchasing a personal sim.

I think this is a very good question, though. Should the Lindens build infrastructure on Linden Land to facilitate land/water travel between two sims - or would this demonstrate a form of favoritism? After all, Linden land (and infrasctructure) is there to begin with so communities might flourish. But what of after the fact?

The way I see it, this is in some ways infrastructure. However, Ben and the Lindens have a fairly valid point on why not to do this. I think the answer should lie in a flat fee paid to the Lindens for services rendered... but that's just me.

No, what Ben meant was the verb "portage" -- pick up your boat and hike over the terrain til you get to water.

That sim Portage was named for that activity.

And the club is gone there finally, after some agitation. Our land there was sold to the person renting to the club, and who knows, they are likely to put up a bigger club now, but you have to cut your losses. We will have some rentals on the other side of the peninsula hopefully.

Fair enough. My mistake on the usage of the term.

I do think, though, that with the current precident of "buy advertising space," the ability to purchase infrastructure (roads, trees, waterways, skyways?, railways, etc) through Linden land would be interesting. Of course, that's probably its own mixed bag.

Thoughts?

No one is asking to purchase the land just to make access to the ocean which has been done in the past in many shapes and forms so no the precident was set long ago.

I'm glad you agree with Ben and your opinion has been duly noted and discarded as usual.

if constant land tweaking is going to the fate of SL I think it's going to end up to be a mess in terms of workability.

Well, we got the access to Lime....thanks to everyone who worked on this...and to the Lindens for coming through.

To Random Unsung....FYI...I own, and have owned for some time, the only real waterfront access in Rose...the Easternmost section of Rose...over the mountain. I was not crying about things...I simply wanted the rest of the folks in Rose to have the same access and saw no reason why it couldn't happen.

I guess it doesn't hurt to take a crack at getting something chenged but I don't blame the Lindens at all for pooh-poohing the idea. I for one would rather they stick to the master plan and not get caught up everytime someone or some 'association' wants something.