Vendors Beware and Its gotta be fixed

ALL Please read disclaimer first.
Disclaimer the following thread is about a real topic and all incidents listed have happened. However, for the protection of both parties involved no names/places or times are being referenced. Thus if you are a party involved do not post accusatory information that will out who you are as this thread is not about you its about a general practice and a plea to LL. Thank you for your time.

As you know Many Vendors have been taking advantage of the multiple Mall locations provided by many of the Mall Creators. My partners and I have been taking advantage of this by purchasing multiple locations throughout Second Life. We have approximately 45 Locations through subcontract throughout Second Life thus quite an assortment of vendors with convenient locations for residents.

This is where the disclaimer applies so don’t try to surmise who it is or where the practice is being done, as I will divulge neither.

Recently we found out after going back a week later that our vendors were no longer working. We monitor sales on a daily base, as the sales are what we use to pay for the rental spaces to allow the content to be spread so widely across Second Life. Upon investigation we noted that the land was set for no create.

Recently while working with our scriptor and through specifications on the Idea of a Lag-less vendor via specifications given us by one Mr. Blue Burke.
We were able to develop a vendor that does not create lag
Does not have an active script.
Does not use a note card.
Does not use timers.
Does not use Listens to achieve its function.
But the vendor does still yet use the Rez object option.
An option only employed by a customer cycling through to view product.
In addition this same vendor has yet to produce a ghosted object.
((Please note: Blue has no part of the following and was only mentioned as a primary reason for us reevaluating our vending scripts as a whole. In which I thank both him and our scriptor for taking care of the issue.))

Now on to the topic at hand, in the past with all places that offer rental plots we were always able to go there and add and remove product as needed because the land was always set to create. Recently we have found at one location that they had set the land to no create. Immediately on doing so it broke all of our vendors as they rely on the ability to Rez and De-rez boxes. Through discussion with one of the Officers of that organization it was explained that it was done to protect one persons Casino objects.

Interestingly enough they went on to elaborate about it was a terrorist attack of certain individuals assaulting the land with “Sliding” prims on to the property to force it to de-rez objects. They explained that it was LL return policy is it deletes older things first. Actually that policy thing I am not sure on.

I will be getting to the point momentarily. However, the irony of the whole situation was this, we paid rent for a location.

Within the confines of the agreement, which we all read, there was nothing specifying that we would no longer have access to the property to “create” meaning replace our vendors.

Additionally, we were not informed that this new Policy to advert griefing was in effect.

Thus unknowingly we have been paying rent on a useless location.

We have been under the impression that there were no sales traffic when in essence it was due to the “no create”
Once the vendor had been targeted by a customer, to cycle, it “de-rezed” the box it was showing, thus could not rez a new one.

This in turn in many cases would lead a customer to believe the vendor to be broken and would also instill the perception of a lack of confidence in the creators of the vendor.


So here is the Point and Questions.

#1 When will Linden Lab be fixing the Land tools to accommodate Group User Creation Only as this was suppose to be in effect already but apparently its not and allowing it to be used as a griefing tool.

#2 Should the Mall owners have to Notify the Vendors of policy changes so that they could be given the option to employ different selling tools I.E. a Non-Rez associated Vendor or Box Method.

#3 If Griefing of this sort is taking place as vehemently as described in IM’s against Mall Owners why has it not been brought to Public attention before now and LL taking action against the “Terrorist” Group that the Mall owner noted.

#4 Will this become a Trend for Mall owners and general populace alike to shut down the ability to create on Rented Land?

Kinda need some input here but need it as a positive feed back and don’t assault Mall owners as that’s not what this is about its about fixing tools and a point of morality.

Shadow

Sorry this was not a follow on thread about "RATINGS" but still yet a very important issue.

Shadow

Definitely a nasty catch 22. I can't blame mall owners for wanting to set their land to no-build due to the rash of griefing involving the auto-return bug. I personally set my land to no build for that very reason. They may not have notified people because they didn't realize the negative effect it would have on certain types of vendors. There were a bunch of recent threads about people rezzing mass amount of prims on people's land that allowed building which due to a bug caused older items to be returned rather than the just rezzed prims. I'm not sure what I would do in the shoes of a mall owner about it. They should have notified all their vendors about the change to no-build though. Hopefully LL will get this fixed soon! Or if it is fixed now let us all know. Lots of us are really skittish about it currently.

It's not just malls that are suffering from the land permissions limitations. With the recent griefing by rezzing prims on land causing objects to be returned, land owners have little choice but to deactivate rezz. That leaves legitimate rezzing in the lurch, as you have experienced.

I think a mall owner should notify tenants when changing rules or use permissions. I hope that group rezz permissions are instituted soon.

edited to say: WHAT CHIP SAID WHILE I WAS TYPING

The policy is supposed to be "oldest non-owner, non-group items derez first, then once those are gone, oldest group-owned non-owner objects, then once those are gone, oldest owner objects".

The policy is "oldest objects". It's a bug. It's been around since 1.3. LL knows about it. Bug reports have been made, and it's in the User Bug Queue. Dunno when they'll fix it though.

Where is it in the queue - do you mean this new one they've launched today? I can't seem to find it in there.

I must admit I'd always thought it was a last in, first out arrangement, but it's certainly not like that at the moment.

I think it is definately unfortunate as we spend over 50% of our income to support Malls by renting Vendor Locations. Whats even more unfortunate is if this continues to be a trend we will have to revert back not supporting the Mini Malls as it will not be worth the expenditure anymore.

Effectively if this continues and LL doesnt get it fixed I see a lot of things happening such as Avatars not being able to wear attachments...and oooh boy some people love them attachments and there is a lot more to be said and again like I mentioned its not the Malls fault for being overtly paranoid because of a few terrorists that do this kinda shit.

Maybe LL should relook thier stance on Naming Names cause Id love to find out who these people are. But whats sadder about that is a Griefer can Grief but if we retaliate we are griefing as well.

Thank Ghod RL as long as the suspect is Killed within the confines of my home whilst endangering my life by attempting to Steal me blind I cannot be punished.

Maybe we need that in SL as long as the shit head is on our land if we retaliate for griefing actions nothing will be said. But I have seen it all to many times the person getting Griefed ends up serving the time while the Griefer gets away free as a bird.

Shadow.

No, I don't mean the one they launched today. I mean the User Bug Queue on their Tiki Wiki.

Ah OK, I'm suprised something so important doesn't feature on their new bug queue - I'd of thought it was pretty high priority.

Thats kinda why I posted this to bring it to the forefront of their attention. Apparently multiple assaults does two things

A gets it fixed

or

B get a lot of people pissed off for a really long time.

LOL

i apologize for being cynical and terse but no. mall owners own their land and are free from any contractual or moral requirement to maintain their land in any form or fashion. that's a very simple truth in second life. granted it's not fair; but it's how the grid works. everybody knows this and i do sincerely hope that everybody understands it.

renting land for business purposes, under those conditions, is just plainly foolish unless you trust the owner explicitly or are using disposable income for that instead of buying lottery tickets.

Some things I do not publish as they can be used against you. Exploits, grief methods.. etc. Those do not make it into the publish list.