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Deklax Fairplay

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05-31-2005 10:23

Check it out, SL. This is a very interesting article about computers being able to take advantage of our weak human minds.

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,67659,00.html?tw=rss.TOP

Anyone want to try something like this in their virtual store? =P

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Paolo Portocarrero

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05-31-2005 10:29

NLP for the masses. Weeee!

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Chosen Few

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05-31-2005 11:16

Very interesting, although entirely predictable. As the artical pointed out, pshchologists and sales people have known about this for centuries. The artical referred to it as "the chameleon effect". In my psychology of sales and communications workshops, I call it "mirroring & matching" (chameleon-ing is something a bit different), but whatever you want to call it, it works. It's nice to have some "scientific" proof I guess.

This kind of reminds me of when MIT "scientifically" proved you could fit more M&M's than marbles in a jar, and called it a "breakthrough in physics". Any two year old knows on instinct that ovals pack more densely than spheres, but a few MIT scientists apparently only think inside their own little boxes, and thus have to rediscover what we all already know and call it "science". Similarly, mirroring & matching is also something we all know instinctively. Those of us who are aware of it are able to actively use it as a tool, but whether we're completely aware of it or not, we all do it every day. It's always nice to have scientific validation of a principle, but come on, can't these top scientific minds in the country discover something that's not common sense for a change?

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Arcadia Codesmith

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05-31-2005 12:06

From: Chosen Few

It's always nice to have scientific validation of a principle, but come on, can't these top scientific minds in the country discover something that's not common sense for a change?

I think the technology is more interesting than the conclusions.

But until the AI can spring for dinner and a movie, it's not going to get far

blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

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05-31-2005 12:26

Gee, did it occur to anyone that it was simply the fact that the animations were more lifelike since they were mimicking real human guestures?

What would have been interesting was a test where they did a 4 second delay mimic on the fellow sitting across the room from you as well.

However, the detection rates were interesting. Interesting that so few and that so many detected it, if you know what I mean!

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Enabran Templar

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05-31-2005 13:04

From: blaze Spinnaker

Gee, did it occur to anyone that it was simply the fact that the animations were more lifelike since they were mimicking real human guestures?

From the article:

From: someone

For the other half of the participants, the program used head movements recorded from earlier students, ensuring they were realistic but unconnected to the test subject.

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Prokofy Neva

Virtualtor

Join date: 28 Sep 2004

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05-31-2005 13:15

I remember once I logged in to one of those AI thingies in a college and I asked it:

"Is it OK to kill humans?"

and one time it answered something like

"My name is Hal" or whatever.

Another time it answered:

"Yes, that's a good idea"

and still another time it said

"Under certain circumstances".

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Francis Chung

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05-31-2005 13:39

Hey! I know those guys, I've spoken to them before. They're interested in SLers too

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Deklax Fairplay

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Join date: 2 Jul 2004

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05-31-2005 13:42

Hah! Now thats interesting! I'm glad they arn't missing the opportunity.

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AI Seduces Stanford Students
Deklax Fairplay Black Sun Join date: 2 Jul 2004 Posts: 357	05-31-2005 10:23 Check it out, SL. This is a very interesting article about computers being able to take advantage of our weak human minds. http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,67659,00.html?tw=rss.TOP Anyone want to try something like this in their virtual store? =P _____________________ Better Dead Than Red!
Paolo Portocarrero Puritanical Hedonist Join date: 28 Apr 2004 Posts: 2,393	05-31-2005 10:29 NLP for the masses. Weeee! _____________________ Facades by Paolo - Photo-Realistic Skins for Doods > Flagship store, Santo Paolo's Lofts & Boutiques > SLBoutique
Chosen Few Alpha Channel Slave Join date: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 7,496	05-31-2005 11:16 Very interesting, although entirely predictable. As the artical pointed out, pshchologists and sales people have known about this for centuries. The artical referred to it as "the chameleon effect". In my psychology of sales and communications workshops, I call it "mirroring & matching" (chameleon-ing is something a bit different), but whatever you want to call it, it works. It's nice to have some "scientific" proof I guess. This kind of reminds me of when MIT "scientifically" proved you could fit more M&M's than marbles in a jar, and called it a "breakthrough in physics". Any two year old knows on instinct that ovals pack more densely than spheres, but a few MIT scientists apparently only think inside their own little boxes, and thus have to rediscover what we all already know and call it "science". Similarly, mirroring & matching is also something we all know instinctively. Those of us who are aware of it are able to actively use it as a tool, but whether we're completely aware of it or not, we all do it every day. It's always nice to have scientific validation of a principle, but come on, can't these top scientific minds in the country discover something that's not common sense for a change? _____________________ . Land now available for rent in Indigo. Low rates. Quiet, low-lag mainland sim with good neighbors. IM me in-world if you're interested.
Arcadia Codesmith Not a guest Join date: 8 Dec 2004 Posts: 766	05-31-2005 12:06 From: Chosen Few It's always nice to have scientific validation of a principle, but come on, can't these top scientific minds in the country discover something that's not common sense for a change? I think the technology is more interesting than the conclusions. But until the AI can spring for dinner and a movie, it's not going to get far
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	05-31-2005 12:26 Gee, did it occur to anyone that it was simply the fact that the animations were more lifelike since they were mimicking real human guestures? What would have been interesting was a test where they did a 4 second delay mimic on the fellow sitting across the room from you as well. However, the detection rates were interesting. Interesting that so few and that so many detected it, if you know what I mean! _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	05-31-2005 13:04 From: blaze Spinnaker Gee, did it occur to anyone that it was simply the fact that the animations were more lifelike since they were mimicking real human guestures? From the article: From: someone For the other half of the participants, the program used head movements recorded from earlier students, ensuring they were realistic but unconnected to the test subject. _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Prokofy Neva Virtualtor Join date: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 3,698	05-31-2005 13:15 I remember once I logged in to one of those AI thingies in a college and I asked it: "Is it OK to kill humans?" and one time it answered something like "My name is Hal" or whatever. Another time it answered: "Yes, that's a good idea" and still another time it said "Under certain circumstances". _____________________ Rent stalls and walls for $25-$50/week 25-50 prims from Ravenglass Rentals, the mall alternative.
Francis Chung This sentence no verb. Join date: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 918	05-31-2005 13:39 Hey! I know those guys, I've spoken to them before. They're interested in SLers too _____________________ -- ~If you lived here, you would be home by now~
Deklax Fairplay Black Sun Join date: 2 Jul 2004 Posts: 357	05-31-2005 13:42 Hah! Now thats interesting! I'm glad they arn't missing the opportunity. _____________________ Better Dead Than Red!

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