Estate privilige - disconnection

Simple question:

Are Estate owners permitted to knowingly use a system exploit to disconnect you from SecondLife or the Grid, forcing a relog?

i'm guessing no.

Yes

I do not believe there is any circumstance where if you force a user to relog that it would be allowed under the TOS, estate owner or not.

As an estate owner:

1. I can ban an av from the island. Once on the list, SL takes care of the security. I don't know if that causes the av's SL to crash.

2. I can kick any av from the island using the built in "kick" command in the estate tools. SL takes care of that. I don't know if that causes the av's SL to crash.

3. I can (but don't) use some of the privately written security scripts that people use on the mainland and on other estates. I find that some of those will teleport an av home, then keep issuing the teleport home command multiple times before SL can send the user home. This appartently causes people to lock up and relog. I have had this happen to me multiple times on the mainland and on estates.

4. I can (and am writing) a security script for my own island that will teleport users home, but will have safeguards to prevent the rude and, I believe, TOS violating aspects of the commercially available scripts I have come across so far.

^ I like how Alan implements his security on Parrot Island. If you're curious to see how it works in action, check it out. (But don't trespass of course.)

Isn't it up to Linden Lab to fix said exploit? If people are crashing from anything related to scripting or banning tools, while yes it is lame to exploit it, it's hard to punish someone for Linden Lab's bug.

That's an exploit? or just a bug?

I wouldn't think that'd be considered an exploit?

I would imagine that if you specifically knew that functionality would cause other players to crash/have to relog, it could be considered an exploit - but it's a pretty grey area - you are right, to me it just seems a bug.

So - if the owner is 100% aware that yes, using this script WILL cause people to suddenly and unexpectedly disconnect from SecondLife, and if they are aware of the method of not letting this occour, and if they still choose to continue this activity and behavior - then in that case, I do believe that they can be held responsible.

The lindens are in charge of fixing the problem that let this happen.

But once the land owners are aware of the problem, and are aware of the method to fix it, and choose not to take action, or alternativly - choose to continue deplying said script in additional spots... I do believe that you can say that this is an abuse.

And therefor, here's my question: If the land owner is PERFECTLY AWARE of the possibility that in 70% of the cases, using this script will cause the target person to disconnect from SecondLife...

Are these estate owners permitted to continue this action and just shrug and say "Not my problem" - even though alternatives and work-arounds exist to fix the problem?

Of course if someone is using this tool to grief you, they should be abuse reported.

But I have to agree, I think it'd be best if this bug was just fixed, so that you didn't ever need to relog.

The other half of this problem is that there is no privacy in SL, short of buying an island. Unfortunately, there is no other tool in SL that is as effective as the "teleport everyone home occasionally forcing a relog" variety for protecting your privacy.

I'm sorry, but you seem to think that landowners should hold higher standards of proactiveness than the Lindens themselves. If the Lindens cannot be bothered to fix the problem it's hardly right to blame landowners who use the facilities they have available to them, whether they know it might cause problems or not.

The Lindens are PERFECTLY AWARE of the possibilitiy that in 70% of the cases, using this script will cause the target person to disconnect or require relog from SecondLife but they do jack shit about it.

Also, a single teleport home can cause teleports to get blocked (and require a relog) in my experience, it's not necessarily just those scripts that do it multiple times. So even at the simplest level it can cause the same problem.

Believe me, I've had experience of this. As joined islands suddenly don't have Estate tools that work correctly, I had to implement a security script (when the numbakulla competition winner took the island over) that, unfortunately, at times sent multiple requests. However, even after changing it further to try to ensure only a single tp home was sent, people were still giving me grief (in fact there is a thread on here about it) about it blocking teleports and requiring relogs. The Lindens said it wasn't a bug in the Estate tools, just the way it works. So I ended up having to spend US$150 to move the island again.

Yes that pissed me off as the tools I should have did not work and the only method I could use led me to getting a huge amount of grief about it. Oh and it ended up costing me money to keep the lynching mob happy, so the Lindens won by getting more money simply because they have buggy software. Fantastic, wouldn't you agree?

I have them on my sim as well. Since Estate tools do not work well for that I have to use them. When I first used them I tested it out and had no issues. Today after reading this post I tested them out and it did cause me to relog. The scripts are up 500M up in the air, it's a No fly-zone and really no one has business being up there. But at the same time I do not like the fact that it causes people to relog so once again i have put a ticket into Lindens, and I will break down and pay the 150 USD fee to move my sim again.