anybody sick of the whining yet?

SL is cutting edge tech on a relatively low budget and growing fast, there will be problems.

Anybody have a PC before XP or OSX? (not to mention OS 7+) how many bugs, gliches and meltdowns did you have? ever have a harddrive start clicking and lose everything??

I feel your pain, my lust for hot vampire lesbian action is burning me up but I know it will be satisfied soon and I'd rather have some bumps on the road than have the road just stop and LL say ok fine, it's fixed and we are not going to do anything else. Sure, the game will be as fun as an Atari 2600 pong game in a few months but hey, at least it wont crash.

No, give me the cutting edge with the glitches, cut me with it to let me know I am alive...

I love you all!

I am not sure I would say cutting edge. It is new to market, but that does not make it cutting edge.

Yes to rest of your post, been there done that since 84'.

I think it's sad when people are so well off in the modern world when all they have to complain about is the login time to a virtual world.

Some people are dying of hunger and war and genocide and AIDS, yo.

Seconded Hiro!

I can think of a huge number of things more worthy of my 'whinge' allocation.

Thirded!

Enough with the whines.

are you saying I can do more and better creative things than SL? because I will DEFINITLY check it out, I'm here for the artistic potential and if this is cutting edge I will find what is!!!!

Just because something is new to the market does not make it cutting edge, only means no one else has decided to bring it to market.

The ability to create "prims" in world is not a new concept, other games have done this for perpetual worlds. The ability to have user created items inworld is not new either, but SL is the first one that I have seen bring it to market.

*big hugs to all* we can get through this, hell, I had just as must fun on my yahoo messenger this morning as I would have in SL considering I only had an hour before wurk...

cool then by my definition of the words 'cutting edge' (not sure what the dictionary version is but will take your word for it) SL is the best one available to a slob like me in the middle of nowhere with a pc and a cbl modem *phew* thank you for sharing!!

Uh, SL is definitely cutting edge. They've designed several new technologies just to get their vision into realization. It may not be the first time something like prims have been seen (although it is one of the first!) it is definitely the first time that someone has brought together fully-interactive cooperative building, scripting, animations, avatar building, content building, and exploration into one big package that people can experience all at once. This is big stuff right here, and the reason it hasn't been brought to market before is because no one's managed to do it this well before.

Ok, I give you that. I stand corrected I apologize to daz, sorry daz. I was thinking of the individual peices and not looking at the whole. Narrow vision instead of wide vision.. I will put my glasses back on now lol

Fix the Log ins and the teleports and we will stop expressing our legit complaints

Whine.

Actually, what REALLY fucks me off is people who have no fucking idea what someone elses daily experience of SL is like and still accuses them of needless whining.

It's almost as annoying as those fucking useless morons that reply with 'works for me'.

I acknowledge, as does Philip himself, that I am the only person in SL with some of the problems I have. I have a totally unique user experience! There is not one among you that can say that you know what it is like to use my account in SL. So if you think I'm whining I have a message for you: go fuck yourself, c*nt.

But then I also accept that as the only user in SL with these problems, zero time will be allocated to fixing them, despite the fact I've pumped $195 a month into LL's coffers since private islands became available. Which is why I'm selling up and leaving, which seems to be the only solution. Shame it comes to that, but there ya go. I have no confidence in LL to make my user experience any better - one little user means shit to them, but the $195 they dont deserve can be put to far better use for me!

No offense Daz, but your attitude might be very different if you've been paying for this product for over 2 years and still experiencing many of the same glitches, and a whole bunch of new ones. Especially if you are paying in excess of 100 or so a month. It's usually still the wide eyed newcomer that takes your position. Your registered date is Feb this year?

The whole "cutting edge tech" thing is a dead horse. We pay, the product should work consistently, and it frequently does not. LL, however, doesn't even really respond to such statements anymore.

Two years ago...a year...yeah, ok. But I mean c'mon.

I am really surprised that someone who usually presents rational arguements would type something so irrational.

The fact that people are dying doesn't mean we should forget about all aspects of our lives and let business get away with shoddy service; which is what this is about. I've only been here a few months and have seen bumps that could be forgiven. But there is no forgiving this. 5-6 hours to login. I feel like I'm paying for a lottery rather than an online service. Worse, is they are writing these problems off to growth.

The dollars people put into this game (regardless of their membership or tier level) are real, not virtual. For most of the world, it is reasonable to expect competent service. These complaints are warranted and IMHO, not harsh enough.

But, back to the dying masses. War, disease and poverty have been with us forever. Using your logic you shouldn't play this game if we should all be focused on the evil and sadness in the world. Or is it OK to forget about them for a few hours when all is peachy and only think about them when the alternative is bitching about shoddy service?

It seems as if your issue is how we should be selectively negative. Your negatives are more important when other negatives appear. When things are positive, your negatives aren't worth mentioning. Or did I miss other posts of your complaining to positive people that they shouldn't be so positive while people are dying?

BTW -- some of us can make time to donate to charity, volunteer time, vote, do other civic things AND bitch about LL.

A post whining about people who whine.... I love it.

I agree with you bruno. We cant stop our daily lives for those unfortunate people in wars, people who are starving and people living in total poverty. I beleive that we should help them out by giving to charities, sending money etc. One good even say that it is our duty as we live in a richer world. Just because we are talking about other current issues doesnt mean that we dont care about the wars anymore. Just our daily lives will always bring up problems which push the bigger problems aside for a short while.

My God, you people are paying for ENTERTAINMENT! Do you people act this same way when your radio signal is interrupted or when the TV blinks out or when your favorite sports team is on a losing streak? GET A GRIP PEOPLE! There are more important things in life to blow blood vessels over. See, if you had been ripped off on insurance, and lost scads of money, I'd sympathize with you. For this, I laugh.

Ah. So get ripped off for real USD on your insurance is bad? Get ripped off for the same amount of USD for a game is laughable? I see your logic.

Do you play second life much. If not, then im sorry but you dont have a leg to stand on. And i doubt anyone is gettig that annoyed about it. Of course people will get a little annoyed if somthing they are paying for has constant bugs and the company who makes the game doesnt seem to care much for peoples needs. The game has been out 3 years and still has some of the old bugs on it.

OH MY GOD! YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! I'll bet if I poured all my money into entertainment, I'd have a legitimate complaint since it's absolutely not my faut that I didn't find a better outlet for the scads of money erupting from my very essence.
Ah, who am I kidding, there is no better outlet for my cash! Ah, the sweet smell of victimhood. Million-dollar lawsuit, here I come!

That's a good analogy. I pay $50.00 a month to comcast for High-speed internet and another $40.00 a month for basic cable. If my internet connection goes down, I can assue you, I'm on the phone in about a minute screaming bloody murder. If I happen to be in the middle of watching a television show and the cable goes out...I'm right there on hold ready to start bitching at 'em.

So, to answer your question, yes, I do act exactly the same way (but with much better results) for my entertainment.

For SecondLife, I pay $40.00 a month. I don't expect it to be perfect, but I do expect it to work. I could not log in this weekend, so that's about 4 bucks wasted. Okay, I can live with that, but not much more. I see no reason to just hand people money and get absolutely nothing for it. You may have no qualms about it, but I do, and I especially do when it's entertainment dollars. Frankly, the least important money I spend is the entertainment money and on a whim I can put that into other entertaiment venues. Entertaining entertainment venues.

The ironic part about the game is, as a person who pays $40.00 a month, I'm actually maintaining content, creating new content and contributing to the vitality of SecondLife. And my monthly fee, in effect, subsidizes an entire class of people who essentially pay nothing. If they can't log in? Boo Hoo. If I can't log in and take my money elsewhere, well, a percentage of the population (like maybe .0001%) is no longer subsidized. Eventually that number reaches 1% and then 10% and eventually SecondLife goes away. If you start to see vast tracks of open land, it might not be just real estate developers.

If it's your suggestion that we should just shut up, take our money and go elsewhere, well, okay, you can pay more for less, if you like...

well i see it as giving me time to get things done that so totally needs it
so am i upset? a little but not enough to really complain let me get the laundry done and the dishes then i will think about having a total melt down