I really really really don't get it

OK, I'm confused and I would appreciate it if a Linden could respond to clarify this situation for the benefit of all inhabitants of SL.

Why is the hate spewed by some people in the forums treated differently to when it happens in-world? Last night there were posts by 2 people that went over the bounds of the policies laid out by LL themselves, yet all the while I was in SL they were both allowed in, even though their posts had been deleted. The same seems to be true of another hate filled person who's thread was deleted earlier yesterday and now continues to rant, even more so, on the new 'Lewd, Rude, or Just Plain Crude' forum. In creating this forum LL are giving the impression of now sanctioning these actions, leaving even more room for them to not do anything about it.

So, come on? Why aren't people banned in-world for things said on the forum? In fact, why aren't they banned from both in-world and the forum for things done in either? Why create a forum to apparently sanction such hate? Why do Linden policies only seem to relate to in-world actions when the forum should be construed as being just as much a part of SecondLife as the application we run? Why, oh why, oh why.

There is another point as well, although this would probably not garner as much support. I find LL's policy of not confirming what action has been taken against people wrong. It gives the impression in many instances, as nothing is verifyable, that nothing has been done. If I get griefed or somebody spouts obscene abuse I would like to know that action has been taken, otherwise we're left guessing. And leaving us to guess, as we cannot prove that something has been done, could leave us to believe that nothing has been done. And that feeling I'm afraid, whether correct or incorrect, could turn people away from the game.

A lack of response to my points in this thread by LL will, in my eyes, give the message that actually there is no consistent policy and that nothing is going to be done about it.

And if any of those involved wish to neg me or anything, be my guest - I could care less about the broken ratings system. At least one of them has already neg rated me with two different accounts anyway and proved what a griefer they really are.

I agree. LL should tell us why we got suspended if that happens. And reasons for suspensions should also be posted in the police blotter just lkie arrests are in RL.

Every aspect of the Second Life Community -- including Second Life itself, these Forums, and whatever else we might add in the future-- is governed by a single set of standards: the Community Standards.

Violations of these standards in-world or in the Forums are treated in the same manner -- suspension or removal from Second Life means suspension or removal from the Second Life Community -- including both Second Life itself and the Forums.

Moopf,
I basically quit participating in world (except for short visits with a few friends). It all started during last Thanksgiving when I was harrassed and badgered by one second life user who thankfully hasent posted much on the forums lately.

Since the Thanksgiving ordeal I have filed over 200 moderator abuse reports on about 8 different users. Over 80 of these abuse reports were against 1 person alone.

There are a handful of users that are here to do nothing but cause trouble. They post contraversial messeges just to upset people. Subject content varies a lot but alot of it is bases on religion, amongst other things. Anything to get a good fight going. And all from less then 10 users. I have made complaint after complaint, I have called Philip Linden and spoke to him on the phone and unfortunately none of it has done any good. So 2 days ago I dropped my account to the basic level. Linden will no longer get any more money from me . I do not expect Linden Lab to police these forums properly (as opening up the new so called Mature sections) clearly demonstrates. In other words. As long as the money goes into the till, THEY DONT CARE ! I quite frankly don't think they ever will, as long as the money hits the till.

The only proof that I am wrong will be us witnessing the deletion of all of these troublemakers accounts . And the troublemakers aren't going anywhere because Linden Lab will not delete them because of the money having to hit the till.

One day Linden Lab will learn that a FAMILY based system makes more money then slut. Just look as Disney ! But then I don't expect them to do that either. That would make too much sense.

Prove me wrong Lindenlab! Make some changes like right now ! I would love to see it .

Uhm, what is wrong with discussing or even debating some of these subjects (religion, politics, etc), Reg? As long as they aren't like some of the hate filled threads we saw recently. Beleive it or not, there is NOTHING wrong with trolling if the reason behind it is to start a debate. If most of those abuse reports were about thread postings, then I can understand why the Lindens haven't taken any action. In-world actions COULD be a different story depending on the actions. I think maybe we need to find you a good skin-thickener, because sometimes you SEEM to be a little over sensitive to some of the things we talk about. Don't get me wrong, I respect a lot of the things that you have said on some of these threads, but sometimes you seem to think people are personally attacking you, when they are just disagreeing with you. But then, a LOT of us feel that way sometimes.

I have no problems with a debate. But the stuff I am talking about led to some threads being pulled, Others not .
The problem I have is that these people I am talking about do it with 1 intention in mind. To make trouble. And if these people I am talking about were removed, Virtually all of these problems would end. Sorry but no names will be mentioned or inferred. These people know who and what they are. Soon someone will get the facts straight and poof, they will all be gone ! Then and only then will I reconsider reentering the world other then to visit. My Disappearing means absolutely nothing and I know that. Its just too bad that dozens have pulled out months ago because of these same people.

I think you should post names. Of the instigators, and those dozens who have pulled out because of this. Open up some peoples eyes.

The day SL becomes Disney, I'm gone.

They've got PG sims for a reason. If you want to Disnify your experience, stay there.

Devlin,
That might violate the TOS. But it's real easy to figure out.
Simply go look through all of the threads and lookie at who starts all of the arguments. I don't mean debates. I mean people that call others names and so on. Look who picks the fights, starts stuff just to upset people. You can make your own list. As for the people that left, a bunch of them announced it on the boards.

As for those that announced that they would leave if Sl went Pg. then LEAVE. and don't let the door hit you on the way out!

Slut and mature sims limits success and the till count Philip,
If you want more income and money, slut and abuse can not be tolerated. So they lose 50 users and pick up 20000. Linden still wins!

My parents taught me that swearing was wrong, Did yours?

I think you're wrong. That's not a personal attack. That's an opinion that differs from yours.

You think mature sims limits success?! I think without them the grid would be empty. You think they'd lose 50 users?! I think half the current users would leave. If not more. Knock on effect. A, B and C leave because mature is gone, and X, Y and Z leave because A, B and C are gone.

And I sure wouldn't be considering buying a sim if it had to be PG under the current definition.

And as for picking up 20000 new users as a consequence of going PG, well, it's just such a ludicrous fantasy it isn't worth commenting on.

Thankfully, there is no way that Philip is going to listen to your lone voice, no matter how many abuse reports you file. He has more business sense.

So, as you so graciously told the people who like mature content, Reg, why don't you leave for good instead of trying to dictate your own set standards to everyone else in SL?

Second Life is obviously not what you want. Why are you here? Oh yeah. And don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

I mean Jeez... did you write to ID software campaigning for them to turn Doom into Candyland? If the game isn't the one you wanna play... don't play it.

Oh... and yes, my parents told me swearing was wrong. But so fucking what? Not everyone lives by your parents or even their own parents ideals.

Some people even try to develop their own moral and ethical standards and formulate their own opinions instead of regurgitating the outmoded ideas of a former generation from a different time.

Kris is so easy to fall in love with.. *swoon*

LOL!

*hugs u, Pen*

Erm...so why have we seen people get banned from logging in-world but still allowed to post on the forums? Or is this something that you're now going to enforce, that wasn't aprticularly enforced before?

SL ain't PG yet, thank $DEITY.

Kris is my hero of the day!

First, I'm a little offended by your 'slut' comment. People who spend time in M sims are good folks, like you. They most likely are more comfortable with thier own sexuality and don't share some of your more 'traditional' (i.e. Puritan) beliefs.

Regnar... it sounds like you should really sign up for There. There is much more 'family' oriented.

Not everyone in the world wants an environment that you want Regnar. BTW.. I'm not attempting to say that you're way is 'right/wrong/indifferent' just that people with views opposite of yours need to have a place too. And there's alot of money out there for it.

Also, my mom did teach me that swearing is wrong, which is probably why I love to do it so much. Besides, they are just words.

Actually I think the word he's looking for is 'smut.'

And PFFT at you Juro.... for beating me to the There suggestion.

I would just like to say that you people quote each other ENTIRELY too much.

I swear (in private) as much as the next guy, but there is a point where even I think it's too much. (Quentin Tarentino- read this.)

Sure it's just words (though this feels like it weakens PC and hate word arguments), but why lower yourself to the level of the human trash? That stuff is the kind of thing people in jail (or belong there) say every other sentence.

I don't freak when I hear a bad word in public (for a halfway decent reason at least) but if it's excessive or around kids it's a different story.

*Drive by quoting*

I have been a lifetime member of there.com Long before I ever heard of Sl. And yes I do now spend more time in "There" then here.