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Condi Rice to Korea: We'll Shoot Down Your Wussy Nukes! (Proof of anti-missile tech?)

Hiro Pendragon
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05-02-2005 21:42
Do you all think this means the US has anti-missile tech? Or is this more of a "we'll blow up your nukes before you launch them" or that "we'll politically and econommically stop you" or what?

Consider Aegis missile technology (high speed mini guns) have been around for decades on ships against lower speed missiles, that railgun tech was proven to be workable in the 70s, and that the US is actively testing laser systems in Alaska.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/02/rice.nkorea.ap/index.html

Rice assures allies their security will be guarded
Monday, May 2, 2005 Posted: 8:04 PM EDT (0004 GMT)
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Talking tough, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice informed North Korea on Monday the United States is able to defend itself and its allies against nuclear and missile threats.

Responding to reports that North Korea launched a short-range missile into the Sea of Japan on Sunday, Rice said, "I don't think there should be any doubt about our ability to deter whatever the North Koreans are up to."

And, in reassuring South Korea, Japan and other allies in the Pacific area, Rice told reporters: "This is not just between the United States and North Korea."

A suggestion Thursday by Vice Adm. Lowell E. Jacoby, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, that North Korea might be able to strike American territory with a nuclear-tipped missile also has raised tensions and concerns.

Negotiations with North Korea on its nuclear weapons program are stalemated. But Rice said North Korea's missile program should be put on the agenda when and if the talks are resumed.

By contrast, South Korea and other Asian governments appeared to take Sunday's missile test in stride. They said it was a short-range weapon that could not reach even Japan and it had no link to Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program.

The missile "is far from the one that can carry a nuclear weapon," South Korean Deputy Foreign Minister Song Min-soon said in an interview with South Korea's Yonhap news agency. "This isn't a case to be linked to the nuclear dispute."

Still, Japanese Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura said after a 40-minute meeting with Rice at the State Department that they hoped China would try harder to get six-party negotiations resumed.

The United States, Japan, China, South Korea and Russia hope to negotiate an end to North Korea's nuclear program in exchange for security assurances and economic benefits.

Talks were supposed to be resumed last September, but North Korea withdrew its promise to attend. Since then, North Korea and the United States have been exchanging angry rhetoric.

Andrew H. Card Jr., the White House chief of staff, denounced North Korea on Sunday as a bully and called its leader, Kim Jong Il, "not a good person." (Related story.)

On Saturday, North Korea called President Bush a "philistine" and a "hooligan."

The blunt aspersions were similar to those two years ago between Undersecretary of State John R. Bolton and Pyongyang that have become an issue in Bolton's struggle for Senate confirmation as the next U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

Critics have called Bolton undiplomatic for his verbal attacks on North Korea.

Rice, by contrast, used a measure of diplomatic ambiguity in her message Monday to North Korea. But it was clearly intended to be a tough one.

"I don't think anyone is confused about the ability of the United States to deter, both on behalf of itself and on behalf of its allies, North Korea's nuclear ambitions or gains on the (Korean) Peninsula," she said.

"We have, after all, a very strong alliance with South Korea and a very strong alliance with Japan. And, of course, the United States maintains significant -- and I want to underline significant -- deterrent capability of all kinds in the Asia-Pacific region," she said.
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Zuzi Martinez
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05-02-2005 22:25
From: someone
Consider Aegis missile technology (high speed mini guns)

you're probably thinking of the Phalanx system that uses 20mm vulcans. a minigun is technically just a gatling gun that fires 7.62 nato and is usually helicopter mounted and also was in Predator. the Phalanx is close range tho and not anti ballistic missiles. Aegis is more for tracking targets and guiding missiles to them.














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Hiro Pendragon
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05-02-2005 22:37
From: Zuzi Martinez
you're probably thinking of the Phalanx system that uses 20mm vulcans. a minigun is technically just a gatling gun that fires 7.62 nato and is usually helicopter mounted and also was in Predator. the Phalanx is close range tho and not anti ballistic missiles. Aegis is more for tracking targets and guiding missiles to them.

Yeah, I had forgotten the name Phalanx, and I was using "mini gun" in parenthesis as a layman's term - essentially phalanx is the same thing - high speed machinegun.

Anyway, Aegis tracks 'em, Phalanx does the shooting... "Aegis system" referring to the whole process... it'd kind be worthless to have Aegis and not have a way to stop the missiles. :D After all, the name Aegis comes from the ancient Greek myth - Aegis shield ... Aegis missile shield system, etc. Wouldn't be a shielf without the part that stops the attack.

As for it being short range, yes, I realize; it was more of evidence of where our anti-missile tech is.
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Seth Kanahoe
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05-02-2005 23:51
Why would you think this is anything besides a reliance on the strategic doctrine of deterrence, which has been in the American lexicon since at least 1943? It's probably not technically-based, but is psychologically-based, instead.

Phalanx, btw, is the "last resort" anti-missile gun system installed on most American warships. It's designed to engage incoming missiles at less than two miles. The Aegis system is a long range antimissile missile system with quick load-and-fire capabilities, able to track up to 100 targets simultaneously. But it's tactically based, and the SM3 missile is slow, so it's is not very useful against suborbital ICBM's.

The latest evolution of Aegis is the BMD, an upgraded sea-based system that can be used to destroy ICBM's. It's still in development.
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05-03-2005 00:01
From: Seth Kanahoe
Why would you think this is anything besides a reliance on the strategic doctrine of deterrence, which has been in the American lexicon since at least 1943? It's probably not technically-based, but is psychologically-based, instead.

Phalanx, btw, is the "last resort" anti-missile gun system installed on most American warships. It's designed to engage incoming missiles at less than two miles. The Aegis system is a long range antimissile missile system with quick load-and-fire capabilities, able to track up to 100 targets simultaneously. But it's tactically based, and the SM3 missile is slow, so it's is not very useful against suborbital ICBM's.

The latest evolution of Aegis is the BMD, an upgraded sea-based system that can be used to destroy ICBM's. It's still in development.

You totally > me when it comes to military knowledge, bravo.

As for the last comment - stealth, atomic bomb, GPS, radio, and many other military developed technologies were all "in development" when suddenly they were used in combat.
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Hiro Pendragon
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05-03-2005 01:03
I had another thought...

NK has already tested a missile that's flown over Japan...

What if ...?

What if NK was test firing a missile and it was shot down by the US, then downplayed as a shorter test?
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