What do you feel about President Bush's image and what it says to the World
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Kayin Zugzwang
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01-24-2005 16:12
This is my attempt to create a politically unbiased thread of discussion. I consider this a personal challange. So don't mess this up for me.
Anyways, the question. What do you think of President Bush's image and how do you feel it represents us to the world.
So first off, this means this thread is not about whither he is actually intelligent or not, or whither he's bad good decisions or bad. It is about how he portrays himself and how you think the world reacts to this.
Second rule... NO ARGUING. Feel free to comment on what others say, but this is simply a matter of opinion. Even if you somehow know that X and X country looks at us in X and X way -- it doesn't matter. I am curious to see what people think. I'm not looking for any sort of truth, since their are none.
Now, for those of you in other countries -- feel free to tell us how he comes off to you.
So speak your minds and don't argue. I also ask -- to prevent these rules from being broken -- that you bahve your selves and be respectful. DO NOT TRY AND PISS THE OTHER SIDE OFF.
With all that clear, I ask you all to speak. I'm not going to speak my opinions to prevent this post from having any bias.
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Plenipotientiary Extraordinaire
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01-24-2005 16:43
Actually, I would think that over 75% of the world has never heard of him, of his father or any other American President. I would also be surprised if more than 50% of the world has heard of the US - or if they have, ever even give it a fleeting thought once a month.
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Kayin Zugzwang
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01-24-2005 16:46
 I think you know what I meant.
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Lance LeFay
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01-24-2005 16:49
From: Plenipotientiary Extraordinaire I would also be surprised if more than 50% of the world has heard of the US Come again?
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Plenipotientiary Extraordinaire
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01-24-2005 16:50
Regardless of what you meant, I expressed my opinion.
Second point, however. Considering that the President does not control his image, isnt the more accurate/appropriate question: What does the picture that the media (domestic and international) has painted of Bush tell the world: A) about itself (the media) and B) about what it wants the world to think of Bush/America?
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Kayin Zugzwang
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01-24-2005 16:57
Interesting point, though thre President does give the ammunition for the media to work with. No president goes un comically criticized. This is based off their behavior in office, be it aggravated or not, such as Clinton's adultry and general goofiness or Bush's speech problems.
I suppose the best way to put it is...
But at the same time, the Media is prone to making fun of Bush -- and every other president. I want Bush supporters to say the good impressions they get from Bush and the Bush haters to give the bad.
The Media tends to be facts and criticisms, seldom compliments.
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01-24-2005 17:01
I think Bush projects an image of imperialistic hubris and jingoistic myopia. His constant name dropping of God and how he's "on our side" must sound to moderates elsewhere in the world frighteningly similar to the Islamic extremists. I find him to be an embarassment.
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Plenipotientiary Extraordinaire
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01-24-2005 17:07
From: Kayin Zugzwang I suppose the best way to put it is...
I want Bush supporters to say the good impressions they get from Bush and the Bush haters to give the bad.
The Media tends to be facts and criticisms, seldom compliments. You said what you want to hear, so why is it that you want someone else to say it? You stated that you want to hear what Bush supporters have heard that leads to "good impressions" of him. Why are you seeking such comments from others? You have already answered your own query. I think huge arguments could be made disputing your last statement... but that is not what you want to talk about and really doesn't relate to your question in any direct form. So, I won't address it.
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Siggy Romulus
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01-24-2005 18:08
From: Kayin Zugzwang The Media tends to be facts and criticisms, seldom compliments.
To be quite honest - Within the U.S. this would depend on what you watched. To go from extreme to extreme --- What you would hear on the Daily Show compared to what you would hear the O'Reilly Factor. Siggy.
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Lance LeFay
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01-24-2005 18:18
From: Siggy Romulus To be quite honest - Within the U.S. this would depend on what you watched.
To go from extreme to extreme --- What you would hear on the Daily Show compared to what you would hear the O'Reilly Factor.
Siggy. They're both rediculous.. difference is one TRIES to be so.
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01-24-2005 19:14
I find him like any other American politician... just less tactiful and eloquent.
1. He drones on with pre-scripted answers, despite questions.
2. When he gets surprised with questions he's not expecting, his attempts to answer them are usually met with stutter and the usual reserve of pre-made answers.. OR... he just doesn't answer them.
... these two things I've just noticed from watching him in the media.
If I were to speculate from the actions of his administration.. I'd say he has a view of the world I consider smaller than my own and is easily coerced.
I've never met the man myself to size him up, but there is obviously something wrong about him that doesn't rub me right. Like the way he'll commit war-crimes and not send support to the people who's lives were lost in pursuit of justice but will get on his knees and act like a saint when a disaster he didn't cause kills a lot of people.
It says a lot about a man... his actions. I dare not say that they speak for him, but it does say a lot. If Bush was a truly compassionate leader -- war would only be an option when American lives are being lost. His vindications are false... he attacked a country that hasn't even put up a good fight, let alone had nuclear power capabilities let alone weapons. His vindications keep eroding as his reasons for said war kept changing.
Weapons of mass destruction... axis of evil... crimes against humanity.
Again... wether all of this tragedy was his agenda alone or the work of many; I don't think I will ever get the opportunity to know. If I was an American citizen though -- I'd do what I could to find out. Do my part to change things. And hope for the best.
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01-24-2005 19:17
From: Plenipotientiary Extraordinaire Actually, I would think that over 75% of the world has never heard of him, of his father or any other American President. I would also be surprised if more than 50% of the world has heard of the US - or if they have, ever even give it a fleeting thought once a month. LOL... honestly I never thought of it but I believe you are right on. All of those rural peps in China, India and the other non-industrial areas probably do not even know that the US exists. From: Plenipotientiary Extraordinaire Considering that the President does not control his image, isnt the more accurate/appropriate question: What does the picture that the media (domestic and international) has painted of Bush tell the world: A) about itself (the media) and B) about what it wants the world to think of Bush/America? I totally agree with this too. The press (written and oral) will put a spin on Bush. Whether you think it is too liberal or conservative is beside the point. Bush has very little control. I will add that depending upon your political affiliation or lib/conserv tendencies or even pro/neg United States if you are a foreigner, you will see what you want to see. There is good and bad in everyone.
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Kayin Zugzwang
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01-24-2005 19:23
Well part of the interest in the question is seeing what people see through the mess of news and propaganda.
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01-24-2005 19:24
From: Kayin Zugzwang Well part of the interest in the question is seeing what people see through the mess of news and propaganda. I guess my point is... they see what they want to see.
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Isis Becquerel
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01-24-2005 19:39
From: Icon Serpentine I find him like any other American politician... just less tactiful and eloquent.
1. He drones on with pre-scripted answers, despite questions.
2. When he gets surprised with questions he's not expecting, his attempts to answer them are usually met with stutter and the usual reserve of pre-made answers.. OR... he just doesn't answer them.
... these two things I've just noticed from watching him in the media.
If I were to speculate from the actions of his administration.. I'd say he has a view of the world I consider smaller than my own and is easily coerced.
I've never met the man myself to size him up, but there is obviously something wrong about him that doesn't rub me right. Like the way he'll commit war-crimes and not send support to the people who's lives were lost in pursuit of justice but will get on his knees and act like a saint when a disaster he didn't cause kills a lot of people.
It says a lot about a man... his actions. I dare not say that they speak for him, but it does say a lot. If Bush was a truly compassionate leader -- war would only be an option when American lives are being lost. His vindications are false... he attacked a country that hasn't even put up a good fight, let alone had nuclear power capabilities let alone weapons. His vindications keep eroding as his reasons for said war kept changing.
Weapons of mass destruction... axis of evil... crimes against humanity.
Again... wether all of this tragedy was his agenda alone or the work of many; I don't think I will ever get the opportunity to know. If I was an American citizen though -- I'd do what I could to find out. Do my part to change things. And hope for the best. very well stated Icon.
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Derek Jones
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01-24-2005 19:39
I find it funny that President Bush was voted by the British people as the most powerful man in England 
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Lance Hedges
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01-25-2005 00:09
I feel his iamge is the iamge of a man in his late 40's and he has grey hair...not a lot but some He looks lighter these days O-o
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