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Crosses banned at presidential inauguration

Isis Becquerel
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01-11-2005 19:41


Just thought the list of objects not allowed was a bit amusing. The Christian Coalition is going bonkers over the fact that some forms of crosses will be prohibited (although cardboard crosses are allowed) because they may be used as a weapon. I understand crosses but paper mache and puppets really have me stumped.

Officials ban crosses
at inauguration parade
Christian group protests restrictions imposed in letter from Secret Service
Posted: January 5, 2005
8:40 p.m. Eastern


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com


President Bush's 2001 inauguration parade (Photo: DCPages.com).
A Christian group is accusing the U.S. Secret Service of religious discrimination and censorship for issuing a memo that bans Christian crosses from the presidential inauguration parade later this month.

Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, director of the Washington, D.C.-based Christian Defense Coalition, contends the Secret Service has "trampled the First Amendment and crushed religious freedom in the public square."

"Simply put, it is religious bigotry and censorship," he said. "It is even more troubling when one realizes that it is only Christian symbols that have been excluded from the inauguration parade."

Tom Mazur, spokesman for the Secret Service, told WorldNetDaily the prohibition is simply a security matter that has nothing to do with the religious nature of the cross.

"The reference to the cross is strictly in regard to structure, certainly not the symbol," he said. "There is no prohibition based on content, only structure or materials that could be used in a potentially harmful or threatening manner."

The prohibition was issued in a Dec. 17 memo to the National Park Service that the Christian Defense Coalition received along with its approved demonstration permit.

Mahoney told WND his group plans to be at the Jan. 20 event for a prayer vigil and "to challenge President Bush to remember the innocent children who have been lost through abortion and to appoint pro-life justices."

The Secret Service memo says, in part:

With respect to signs and placards, the Secret Service would ask that these items be limited to items made of cardboard, poster board or cloth and have dimensions no greater than three feet in width, twenty feet in length and one-quarter inch thickness. As noted above, we are asking that supports for signs and placards be prohibited as these items may be used as a means of concealing weapons or as weapons themselves."

Additionally, the prohibition on structures includes props, folding chairs, bicycles, displays such as puppets papier mache objects, coffins, crates, crosses, theaters, cages and statues.

The Department of Homeland Security has designated the four days of inauguration events a National Special Security Event, putting the Secret Service in charge of overall security planning.

Already, security has been heightened around the White House, where police have set up a street checkpoint with a sign reading "100 percent ID check."

Mazur said crosses would be allowed at the parade site if they conform to the same material and size restrictions applied to signs and placards. For example, a cross made of cardboard could be brought, he affirmed.

But Mahoney told WND that explanation "doesn't fly," arguing that the prohibition outlined in the memo bans crosses outright and does not say they are allowed if they meet certain restrictions, such as those mentioned for signs and placards.

"Are coffins allowed if they are the right material and size, or bicycles?" he asked.

In the past, he said, his group has brought wooden crosses to the inauguration "to remind people of innocent lives lost through abortion."

Mahoney said his legal team likely will send a letter to the Secret Service demanding the agency rescind the prohibition on crosses.

"The only way we would not go to court on this -- the Secret Service would have to issue an apology and remove that ban altogether," he said.

Mahoney's 12-year-old group has been at every inauguration since 1993, he said. In 1997, he successfully sued in federal court for the right to get a demonstration permit for President Clinton's second inaugural parade. Prior to that, no protest permits were issued for the event, he said.

"To my knowledge, this is the first time the federal government has ever singled crosses out," said Mahoney. "I have been involved in public ministry and demonstrations for 27 years, and I have never heard of a cross being used as a weapon anywhere."

His group plans to hold a news conference tomorrow at the corner of 4th St. and Pennsylvania Ave. NW in Washington, in front of the Canadian Embassy.

At this location, the group also plans to conduct a prayer vigil and demonstration during the parade.

The Christian Defense Coalition was in the news last year as a prominent organizer of rallies in defense of ousted Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's Ten Commandments monument.
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Chip Midnight
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01-11-2005 21:16
Damn it! So much for my plans to do a puppet show along the parade route!

I can't believe the CC is complaining about the ban on crosses. It's obvious they don't want anything along the route that can be used to conceal a weapon. Grrrrrrr, the Christian persecution complex is getting really old!
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Isis Becquerel
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01-11-2005 21:34
Really cause I was gonna make a big Bush pinata...ahh well we can't have it all...guess I'll just have to Bush bash in my own backyard.

The funny thing is that they can have crosses but they must fit within the same guidelines as the signs. So basically they have to be of said dimentions and made of cardboard but that isn't enough...It is wooden crosses or court.
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01-11-2005 21:37
I wonder if, like the 2000 election, people will spit and throw eggs and Bush will have to cancel his full walk to the white house AGAIN, making it only the second time in history that a President hasn't been able to make that walk?
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Chip Midnight
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01-11-2005 21:57
I live near DC, and I own eggs ;)
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01-11-2005 22:01
Eggs are a safety hazard:

Microbial pathogens of the genus Salmonella are among the leading causes of foodborne illness in the United States. Between 696,000 and 3,840,000 cases of foodborne salmonellosis occur each year, causing mild to acute gastrointestinal symptoms, such as abdominal pain, frequent diarrhea, vomiting, fever, and chills. Infants, the elderly, and people with compromised immune systems are particularly vulnerable, and death from salmonellosis may occur in these high-risk population groups. These human illness cases and deaths cost society between $600 million and $3.5 billion each year in medical treatment, lost productivity, and loss of life.

Since the mid-1980's, Salmonella enteritidis has been one of the most frequently implicated species of the genus Salmonella in human illness cases reported to the National Salmonella Surveillance System, which is administered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). According to the CDC, the proportion of cases of salmonellosis due to Salmonella enteritidis increased from 5 percent in 1976 to 26 percent in 1994 when compared to all reported cases of salmonellosis reported to CDC. The CDC also reported that, between 1985 and 1995, there were 582 Salmonella enteritidis outbreaks (two or more people became iii from eating the same food), which accounted for 24,058 cases of illness, 2,290 hospitalizations, and 70 deaths. While many more people may have suffered the illness than what the outbreak data suggest, few seek medical help, so large numbers of cases probably are not reported to the CDC

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3765/is_1_20/ai_57812160

Sorry Chip but you better hide them when Bushie drives through town...in fact just saying that you have them probably puts you on some list somewhere.... I shouldn't even be talking to the likes of an egg owner such as yourself :p
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01-11-2005 22:10
Someone should tell Eggy... so he can go into hiding before the SS gets wind of this... :eek:
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01-11-2005 22:39
From: Isis Becquerel
Sorry Chip but you better hide them when Bushie drives through town...in fact just saying that you have them probably puts you on some list somewhere.... I shouldn't even be talking to the likes of an egg owner such as yourself :p


Hah! I plan to aim for his mouth :D
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01-12-2005 00:29
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I understand crosses but paper mache and puppets really have me stumped.


This means you have never seen "The Last Boy Scout." A puppet with a concealed gun inside was a major plot point.
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01-12-2005 00:33
From: Alan Palmerstone
This means you have never seen "The Last Boy Scout." A puppet with a concealed gun inside was a major plot point.


I'm wondering if the Secret Service got their idea from that movie. And watching Hollywood Blockbusters, one after another. :)
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01-12-2005 01:04
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I'm wondering if the Secret Service got their idea from that movie. And watching Hollywood Blockbusters, one after another. :)

In that case, the CIA should have better prepared for 9/11 from reading Tom Clancy's book where a terrorist crashes a 747 into a joint session of Congress.
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01-12-2005 05:13
I like what these folks are planning http://www.turnyourbackonbush.org/

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01-12-2005 06:54
From: Isis Becquerel
Eggs are a safety hazard:

Microbial pathogens of the genus Salmonella are among the leading causes of foodborne illness in the United States. Between 696,000 and 3,840,000 cases of foodborne salmonellosis occur each year, causing mild to acute gastrointestinal symptoms, such as abdominal pain, frequent diarrhea, vomiting, fever, and chills. Infants, the elderly, and people with compromised immune systems are particularly vulnerable, and death from salmonellosis may occur in these high-risk population groups. These human illness cases and deaths cost society between $600 million and $3.5 billion each year in medical treatment, lost productivity, and loss of life.

Since the mid-1980's, Salmonella enteritidis has been one of the most frequently implicated species of the genus Salmonella in human illness cases reported to the National Salmonella Surveillance System, which is administered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). According to the CDC, the proportion of cases of salmonellosis due to Salmonella enteritidis increased from 5 percent in 1976 to 26 percent in 1994 when compared to all reported cases of salmonellosis reported to CDC. The CDC also reported that, between 1985 and 1995, there were 582 Salmonella enteritidis outbreaks (two or more people became iii from eating the same food), which accounted for 24,058 cases of illness, 2,290 hospitalizations, and 70 deaths. While many more people may have suffered the illness than what the outbreak data suggest, few seek medical help, so large numbers of cases probably are not reported to the CDC

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3765/is_1_20/ai_57812160

Sorry Chip but you better hide them when Bushie drives through town...in fact just saying that you have them probably puts you on some list somewhere.... I shouldn't even be talking to the likes of an egg owner such as yourself :p


Tomatoes are always an option .....

BTW - I'm dressing in all black for the inaguration. Sort of like attending a funeral. The death of democracy.
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