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My Thoughts on the money changes...

Mirra Hathor
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Join date: 4 Jul 2004
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01-12-2005 22:08
***Note: This was written by Davey Horus, I was logged on the wife account and didn't realise!***

OK, so why should you care what I think?

Short answer: you shouldn't. I'm a nobody.

If you are interested in hearing all thoughts on this topic, read on.

I have discussed this at great length with my wife, and we have both come to the same
conclusion:

Its wrong. I agree with the reasons, but not the actions taken.

Here is a potential scenario:

Event is hosted, no rating goes on because its too expensive. Small prizes are given away, thats all that can be afforded now.

Because theres not much money being given to most of the users (all non-premium users) the tips for dancers and DJs are very low.

Because the tips are so low, dancers and DJ stop wanting to do events, its not worth it.

Less people go to events, even less money gets into the event hosters pockets, even less gets back to the regular joe.

The only solution to this is to charge for events... but wait, people can't afford that!


Another scenario:

User wants to buy clothes, but cannot because they cannot afford it.

Designer can't afford to keep uploading textures and spending time on stuff, as well as paying for a place to sell from

Designer stops designing.

Same goes for scripters and animators.


As you can see, this is not a good thing.

I for one, can only see one reason for Linden Labs to implement this change, money. Thats fine, they're a company, making money is the point!

How do they make this money? There is 2 ways, first, by people having to go premium to get any reasonable amount of money. The second is by selling Lindens for real money - they will either buy out GOM or IGE or just do it themselves.

Making SL economy driven is a BAD idea, this is what killed There.


The only solution I can see to this, on our (the patrons) part, is to, rather than rate somebody, just IM them and compliment them, and then pay THEM $25. This at least keeps the money in the hands of the people.

I feel that charging a higher price for rating is FINE, it stops people arbitrarily rating people with negatives especially. Make them think twice before doing it. Make it $50L, $100L even (Read on!)

However, the person being rated should recieve that money for being rated. This keeps the balance and the incentive to be good.

I for one, will no longer rate people, I will just give them money instead, they need it now.

If LL wants to make things cheaper, then they need to put limits on how much you can raise the price. If they feel that land is too expensive for a lot of people, add new islands with fair priced land (i.e. what they think should be charged) for anyone to buy (aswell as the uber cheap first land stuff). This influx of cheaper land will force others to put their prices down.

If they feel too much is being paid for clothes/scripts/animations/objects then they should implement auctions for these things so that people pay what they feel is worth it, instead of what the creators feels they should be paid (though this should be optional for creators to participate in)

I know this is getting lengthy, sorry. I'll shut up now.

- Davey
Davey Horus
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Join date: 8 Oct 2004
Posts: 2
01-12-2005 22:13
Just wanted to say on this account that it was me that wrote the above. No foul play going on ;)

- Davey
Maxx Monde
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Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 1,848
01-13-2005 07:04
I'll think you will find that there is still incentive to achieve the dwelloper incentive list, so you will see events, regardless of rates/payout. Also, some people honestly do these things because they love to, and that won't stop them either.

It will get rid of the spam-events that have dominated a lot of the list lately, and for that I'm grateful. Events shouldn't look like my spam folder of my email account. I think Linden Lab did the right thing.
Mina Firefly
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Join date: 11 Aug 2004
Posts: 341
01-13-2005 07:12
Only option is.....be creative , create stuff...clothing , scripts...things that sell.

That's what i'm doing right now.

And i will now live from my stippend again as main income.
(instead of sales and events)
Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,606
01-13-2005 07:23
The current trend indicates and is evident that the main goal here is for this game to be centered around Building, Scripting, Designing and Educational Events to Educate those to do it which in return pays Linden Labs.

As far as anything else goes, the burden/cost is on the players shoulder. That is my perception.
Bottom Line.
Talen Morgan
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Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,097
01-13-2005 07:28
From: Blake Rockwell
The current trend indicates and is evident that the main goal here is for this game to be centered around Building, Scripting, Designing and Educational Events to Educate those to do it which in return pays Linden Labs.

As far as anything else goes, the burden/cost is on the players shoulder. That is my perspective.
Bottom Line.


whats wrong with being self sufficient ?
Blake Rockwell
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01-13-2005 07:29
From: Talen Morgan
whats wrong with being self sufficient ?


Didn't say it was wrong.
Blake Rockwell
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01-13-2005 07:52
Also I predict the elimination of the Basic account of a one time charge. They may put in a Free Month Trial Bases as other MMORPG's do. So when you come into the game, your fee will count towards Land that you can buy that includes the 512m tier fees just as Premium Acccounts provide currently. I maybe be wrong, however; it is only logical if you are heading towards a total Capitalistic Society.
Annah Zamboni
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Join date: 2 Jun 2004
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01-13-2005 07:58
From: Mina Firefly
Only option is.....be creative , create stuff...clothing , scripts...things that sell.

That's what i'm doing right now.

And i will now live from my stippend again as main income.
(instead of sales and events)

Exactly.

My experience with most clubs is:
1) You hear the same 5 songs played over and over at all the clubs
2) They hold events for best outfit/av or whatever and most of the time the people that work at the club or are regulars win (ie popularity contest). (And yes I've won more than my fair share of contests so this isnt a grudge point)
3) Events lack substance, hosts do very little to keep you there or entertained, other than the occassional "Hey in 1 hour and 15mins we'll vote for the winner of 100L$!". Meaning: "Stand here like zombies, I'll do nothing but stream music and watch my dwell go up".


Clubs I do go to:
1) Have DJs for their streaming or hosts that do more than just say "TP more people and weeeeeee".
2) Usually themed places with different types of music than just the usual 5 songs.
3) Actually welcome you and dont make you feel like an outsider

So yeah, all Im saying is be creative and find out what makes people stay around (or more importantly what makes them leave).
Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
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Posts: 1,606
01-13-2005 08:01
That will not be an issue soon.
Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
01-13-2005 08:06
Look at Linden Lab as a government.

Any government promotes positive activities through subsidies. The most positive activity in SL is that that promotes creativity. Thus, ensurinng less ugly builds and greater spectrums of available products is in LL's and SL's best interests.

Few governments will subsidize night clubs, except inasmuch as a nightlcub will promote overal social and economic growth for a given region. On the other hand, governments heavily subsidize education, which makes for smarter populations.

An economy exists in Second Life. With that in mind, the folks who provide the best experience to the most people without government help will be the cream that rises to the top. The new changes require nightclubs to be businesses like every other in Second Life, and that can only be a good thing. Night clubs will limit in their numbers, only the best clubs will make money. Faster sims, anyone?

Additionally, big money will now be given to educational organizations, and so more will spring up. This can also only be good, as more energy will be spent on being productive.

I see bright skies ahead.
Blake Rockwell
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01-13-2005 08:08
That is why Phillip said they are working to address the Lag issues in my opinion as well. What Clubs that are left will still need to be Profitable for the Owner, unless they do not mind the cost to entertain friends.
Annah Zamboni
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01-13-2005 08:09
From: Blake Rockwell
That will not be an issue soon.

So the quality and content are going up? Great. :)
Blake Rockwell
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01-13-2005 08:12
If they have the time as well to run the Club other than their main business that brings in Profit. Look for alot of land to go up for sale shortly.
Annah Zamboni
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01-13-2005 08:16
From: Blake Rockwell
If they have the time as well to run the Club other than their main business that brings in Profit.

If they spread themselves thin and dont have the time to run a quality club, then the winner in the long run is the club owner that does have time and does run a quality club. Sounds great to me. And if the person running a club that isnt their main business then it wont be a great loss if that club generates no business.
Pendari Lorentz
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01-13-2005 08:17
uh oh! Enabran said the "G" word!!! :eek:






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01-13-2005 08:20
Can he do that without a faction :???? :eek:

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Blake Rockwell
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01-13-2005 08:23
From: Annah Zamboni
If they spread themselves thin and dont have the time to run a quality club, then the winner in the long run is the club owner that does have time and does run a quality club. Sounds great to me. And if the person running a club that isnt their main business then it wont be a great loss if that club generates no business.


IF you consider a School a Club.
Annah Zamboni
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01-13-2005 08:40
From: Blake Rockwell
IF you consider a School a Club.

So are you implying there will be no (or very few) clubs because only educational events get LL funding? I dont see why not. They still get dwell. I'd rather go to a club that exists because the people that run it are dedicated to it and not spaming club events simply for the event stipend.