To expand on "Clothes Makers - Please Read"

Okay, I did not want to step on Briana Dawson's thread more, so I created a seperate thread to explain why I do feel this has signficance to everyone, even if they did not wear any clothing.

The root of the mater is whether a merchant should be held responsible for items they sell that are deamed worthless, or even losing value, with an update to SL. This could include, as Briana pointed out in her thread, clothing, but there is definately risk involved in other areas, such as any scripted object. The question is, were is the acountability? Should all venders be requried to re-work all their items they produced months ago because LL makes a change in the way SL functions? I don't believe so. I do strongly agree that removing the afflicted items from market ASAP is needed, since doing otherwise is basically dishonest. But on the other hand, why should someone be expected to update their past products for the new system? While, yes, it would be a good jester and build up customer rapport, it was due to no fault of the vender that their prexisting items don't function the same as they did before. They did not instigate the change, a third party did. If anyone, the third party should be held accountable, but I don't thing that is realistic of a concept either.

Other's thoughts?

[Disclamer: The upon post is for discussion purposes only, not to place judgement on anyone's actions or lack thereof. It also does not necessarily reflect the poster's reaction if her said products were deamed obsolecent due to system changes, which action would be determined upon such time the situation arises]

I totally agree with you.

Get the old items out of business ASAP, and offer to hand money back on items sold (as an error I SURE HOPE! ) after they are no longer usable in SL.

If you offer to correct your items without a refound to your customers (that bought the item when it was still usable), I find that to be very generous and a great way to get loyal customers, but as the world and so also the market is changing; not a must and not either expected.

::Matina::

I agree about takeing items off the market if they no longer work.

I have bought so many items for my house and AV that I do not remember where I got everything. I'm sure that the salepersons do not know every person who bought items from them. So the buyer should take the loss.

It would be nice if we could DEL. something from our INV. and get our money back and the saleperson could keep his/hers.

You dont think people would take advantage and exploit this??

And why really? In my RL iI have to pay for garbage taken away from me, I dont get credited (with cash) - and I see no reason for this in SL either.

Yes your are right I did not think about people exploting the system.

My RL stopes at the keyboard. I do not want my SL to be my /firstlife

So the buyer should just take the loss. I can live with that.

I think with each of the updates, sellers should check all of their wares. I still come across underwear that is crotchless when it shouldn't be, skirts (via the old method) that don't fit a slim av and things like that.
As a consumer, it is a pain to have to alert the seller for each item that doesn't fit properly.

I think whether or not to fix and exchange effected clothing items should be up to the clothing maker. But they should be aware that not doing so might cause them to lose some customers. I was lucky and only had about a dozen items that needed to be fixed so it only took a few hours to do (mostly to do the first one).

I think part of the problem this time is that underwear is now really difficult to do well so some people might have started trying to fix their items and given up in frustration. Underwear ended up as crotchless because the portion of the UV map that was between the legs was pulled towards to front and up, presumably to accomodate the male "package." This means that the area between the legs under the crotch, and the tops of the inner thighs are now covered by even less texture. You can only get a stripe about two pixels wide between the legs now. Any more than that and it smears down the inside of the thigh. It makes doing underwear and short shorts very difficult and really limits how they can be cut to avoid smearing.

I personally hope they continue to tweak the texture mapping in that area even if it means I have to redo those items again. The smearing on the inner thigh is really bad and could be easily fixed by stretching the UV of the leg up so those polygons on the inside top of the leg are covered by more than one pixel of texture map. The effect on existing items would be pretty minimal and it would be a whole lot easier to make underwear and shorts

Oh, and if people have items they made that aren't usable anymore after the update, they shouldn't be selling them anymore.

I'd like to add that this does not just apply to clothes. Vehicle functionality is currently being changed almost every week, so buyer beware when purchasing those as well. I think I have removed all clothing and vehicles from the market that no longer work as advertised, but it's possible someone is reselling them.

To respond to Camille, dresses made prior to 1.1 were made with prims, and thus anyone who bought them would need to resize them or get tailoring to make them fit. It's simply how things were, not a bug or anything.

I know that about dresses being made with prims - no skirt pattern until 1.1. But, some people still have them for sale. There should be a note or something that says this item works only with a specific sized AV, especially if the item(s) are set to no modify.

Prim skirts/clothes were never one size fits all. I have a couple (I thought I took them down but I guess I'd better double check). Anytime anyone has asked I have sized for them. Same with my bunny slippers which is why I have 2 sizes out. Even with two sizes there is no guarentee a prim item will fit your avs dimensions. Sellers should offer a sizing service upon request.

A good point was made that this is by no means limited to clothiers. Does this mean a scripter should re-write a script for every new load? I don't know. What about a merchant who buys a script for a model they made for resale?

Point is you should consider how you conduct buisness (buying and selling) with the idea that change is a constant in mind.