Philip Linden chat...
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Jarod Godel
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01-11-2005 12:41
Khamon told me that Philip Linden said, "If you think Second Life is a game, [Linden Lab is] about to disappoint you." A few days ago, over on TerraNova, Cory Linden said, "Second Life is very much a consumer oriented product right now and I'm sure that out customers prefer that we keep our focus there." I'm confused.
Second Life isn't a game, but it's a "consumer oriented product." Who are the consumers?
(Also, if anyone could post that quote, I would appreciate it.)
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Catherine Cotton
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01-11-2005 12:44
That's funny Philip told me personaly there was room for everyone, SL wasn't just one thing. More so that there was room for everyone.
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Blake Rockwell
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01-11-2005 12:46
Maybe it's a Consumer Product since Ebay got involved. I would need to know more about his definition of Consumer Product.
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Artillo Fredericks
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01-11-2005 12:53
I still insist on calling SL a "3D Virtual Reality World", whatever the content inside 
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Anjelle Lumiere
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01-11-2005 13:26
As a paying customer with a large parcel of land and 2 accts, I want to say this.. I do NOT prefer that LL focus on the consumer end in this manner. I am not in SL to make a truckload of RL US$. I am here to find enjoyment and entertainment. For me, SL is a VIRTUAL COMMUNITY. Not a business opportunity for myself to profit from.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-11-2005 13:31
From: Catherine Cotton That's funny Philip told me personaly there was room for everyone, SL wasn't just one thing. More so that there was room for everyone. Must hurt to feel like you've been dumped. Money Rules --- Mo'Money!!!! Money 1st, Rainbow Coalition 2nd
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Raverchick Steele
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Phillip linden did say (this is not a game)
01-11-2005 13:53
phil linden said that at a meeting this morning. He also stated that he didn't need the money from SL to continue he also stated That, yes SL is not really a game. He also said in manner of speaking .... his words (we'll see) in a responce to how many people will leave SL and or stay. It boils down to this 8 million dollars has made his head reel with money,this being that when they make changes it's all for the better to them that is (LL) and it doesn't matter what we think at all. WE (players) are not an equation in the SL factor at all.They expect that we continue to PAY them for the path THEY lay down for us.If you think this is bad just wait ..... there are more changes on the way !!!!!!!!!!!
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Jauani Wu
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01-11-2005 14:11
give me a break on the misrepresentations.
right after that he talked about how there are games within SL. he was clearly trying to convey that SL is a platform for a variety of enterprises, games are one of them.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-11-2005 14:15
From: Raverchick Steele phil linden said that at a meeting this morning. He also stated that he didn't need the money from SL to continue he also stated That, yes SL is not really a game. He also said in manner of speaking .... his words (we'll see) in a responce to how many people will leave SL and or stay. It boils down to this 8 million dollars has made his head reel with money,this being that when they make changes it's all for the better to them that is (LL) and it doesn't matter what we think at all. WE (players) are not an equation in the SL factor at all.They expect that we continue to PAY them for the path THEY lay down for us.If you think this is bad just wait ..... there are more changes on the way !!!!!!!!!!! Yes... $8,000,000... Philip Linden. I'll take a 5 year contract for $500,000 to become the Vice President of the Linden Reserve Board. Just give me a Programer and Public Relations Officer (Formerly a Dictator if possible) and I'll be ready to join the New SL Version 2.0 (Where Money Rules and not Starving Artist Hippies). 
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Anakin Skye
Jedi Master
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01-11-2005 14:19
I have to tell you... i had a good laugh at all this posts from people saying they will leave... saying they will now lower their tier... they are foolish and weak.
Go look at GOM... your lindens are now worth more... Linden lab bought about 2.5 million lindens out of gom yesterday.
Don’t you see it?... you are worried because you will get half or your stipend BONUS. But who cares if now your lindens are worth a lot more than they were before...
I sell Lindens at GOM. and in the past days i was really concerned about the linden dropping so quickly... eventually. 1000 lindens would be equal to 3 dollars... 2 dollars... 1 dollar....
So according to this crowd, Linden Lab was supposed to wait and see how the value of the linden dropped?...
Linden lab acted for the good of all of us… maybe you don’t see it now, but after a while you will understand the real purpose of this.
Let’s see the following scenario… LL does nothing… the L$ keeps dropping until virtually anyone is rich… what do you have?... you will have unmotivated club owners… unmotivated builders and scripters…
I know most of the people aren’t builders or scripters… or maybe they don’t have time to run a club… but trust me… clubs in second life are MONEY… clubs mean real money for the owners… and the tiny 1000 linden prices they offer on their events its just the tip of the iceberg… there are casinos inside the clubs, hundreds of vendors that pay weekly rents, not to mention escorts that are a great business… only those weak minded will stop hosting events because they wont get support from linden lab… the intelligent ones will keep hosting them… why? Because the real money is not in the prices… is in the people coming to your club, raising your dwell, buying from your vendors, playing your casino games, hiring your escorts… and then those people will bring more people… rinse… and repeat.
Believe it or not SL is about real money… SL is a business, just like any other MMORPG… it is a business for those who own the game and furthermore the ability so sell your lindens makes it a business for the players as well… I got a good laugh a few minutes ago when Artillo Fredericks said “BREATHE PEOPLE!!! Your fake VR world money is going nowhere LOL”…. That was so funny…
You see… the thing is that this is no longer fake money we are talking about… say that to me… I was able to purchase myself a REAL LIFE Nikon D70 Digital SLR Camera with my “fake money”.
SL is a business and it should be run as such. If its not… then forget about the fun of clubbing and building the place will just disappear. LL needs to make money out of it… and they are offering us the chance to make money as well…
Not everybody knows a computer language… not everybody is gifted enough to make amazing designs in Photoshop or perfect animations is poser… not everyone has the vision, knowledge and courage to start an escrow service like GOM and turn “fake money tradings” into real money… look they have traded over $0.7 million dollars worth of $L currency, and they charge something closer to 3%... so you do the math.
I strongly believe Linden lab is doing the right thing by controlling the sinks and sources… and by controlling the money flow… and as any economist knows, there are plenty of ways of doing so.
In any case… the market must be controlled if you want the economy to survive.
You can look at this policy change, think and make profit out of it… or you can just leave… and let others make money…
Anshe Chung just bought the pyramid mall in second life… see? She has vision… she knows how to take advantage of the fear of the crowd who knows nothing about the real thing.
I joined SL for the fun of a MMORPG that would give me freedom I had nowhere else… soon… I realized I could create stuff… and sell… it… there I was… with a bunch of lindens… then… I realized I could sell those in order to make real USD. So there I was… having fun… metting new people… making creative things… and making real money…
This is a good thing people… don’t panic… the linden is going up. And here is a real example for you… since I started warring about the linden dropping vs the dollar… I raised the prices at my vendors… now the linden is gaining strength… I dropped my prices in-world….
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-11-2005 14:23
Anakin is the Freek'n Jedi Master!!! U Rock
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Anakin Skye
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01-11-2005 14:29
The dark side i sense in you
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Tupac Wallace
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01-11-2005 14:35
Get a life! I just wanna buy sex balls
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-11-2005 14:39
From: Tupac Wallace Get a life! I just wanna buy sex balls Kneel before your new master....
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