Utterly disgusting

I've been watching videos on waveofdestruction.org about the tsunami, and I decided to click on the 'Guest Book' link to find this as the first message:

guest book link
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Name:
Ron

Country:
United States of America

Message:
This is what happens when you believe in Temples and Budda instead of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. My the Lord comfort them during this time.
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What an insensitive prick. It is people like this that give Christians a bad, bad name.

OMG, what an asshat! Good ol' boy Ron most certainly does not represent me or mine.

A true Christian wouldn't say that. Whoever posted it did so to get the kind of response you are having from as many people as he can.

That is definately a possibility, as much as it is some righteous Christian lacking a brain and empathy.

I should mention I posted a response saying that was completely UN-Christian like, but for some reason it still isn't showing up. grr.

Ugh. This is why labels like "Christian" break so badly down for me, because I've never, ever met two "Christians" who share exactly the same beliefs. With so much interconflict between denominations and even hierarchies of what should supposedly be "branches of the same tree", time and time again, I've learned that it comes down to the individual. Spirituality is so personal.

This reminds me of one embarassing church service I once went to: the pastor began to talk about other world belief systems, and in doing so, showed his sheer ignorance of even general Buddhist beliefs. He compounded the insult to injury by not only implying that Buddha was a fervent coprophiliac, but calling Buddhists "worshippers of the evil one". *sighs*

As Aaron mentioned, the person may not even be Christian, but that post demonstrates that man's stupidity knows no bounds.

Indeed, and sadly so.

The world has enough pain and suffering already.

You nailed it, Torley! There are generally just five (5) core tenets of the Christian faith that are evaluated for Christian orthodoxy. The rest is left up to individual interpretation...thus the 7,000+ Christian denominations in the USA, alone.

I, for one, have pretty much given up on the American Christian church as a viable institution for spiritual edification. By no means have I renounced my faith; I just think the church has become mired in politics, doctrine and dogma and forgotten what it's really all about: Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbor as yourself.

Come to think of it, neither have I. Good point.

When there was an eathquake in Iran, killing a lot of people. A person who is known to be christian said to me " maybe god is trying to tell them something".

Beeing a person who do not belive in any gods or other fairytales, I of course got into some kind of heated debate; trying to explain it was the continent platforms moving.
People who belive in gods can never take a scientific explanation to anything of course.

I have learned that christian people are not any better than people beliveing in other gods. In same way they think they are better than other people and they are not even willing to question their beliefs. What someone has sometimes told them, may it how unlogical or stupid, they belive in it , refusing even to think "what if..."

I hope we some day could live in a world without religions, but unfortunatly mankind is stupid. One cannot accept that when we die we are gone, but have to come up with various eternal life variations (religions).

WOW WOW step off for a minute
first of all dont pool all deity worshippers wtih redneck christians<i say redneck cause thats the quickest way to describe ignorant, moronic and self rightous>

I myself bielive in a higher being, does that mean i banish science? no i am an avid scientist and mathamatician. I bielive there is a higher being ng out there who started existence, does that mean he is the cause of all our problems or acheivments? No, It means that theres soemthing more to reality after we die.I find it hard to bielive that when we die our consiousness dies off and ceases to be. I beilive when we die we transcend to a higher plane of thought becasue our current existence is pretty meaningless in the grand scale of things.
BUT...
if thats not the case i also bielive that when we die our conciusness folds into itself and creates a mental plane of thought were we live out our vision of the aftelrife for all time.

No we will never live i na world without religion because they are a necessity of society.
NO not all people beilive they are superior because of there religion. Thats like saying all premium account holders are arrogant bastards to basic acount holders because they have better features. OR saying that all Americans are ignorant pircks becuase theyre country is a global power.You cant go around labelling entire groups of people because youve had a bad expirence or two.

and thats my 2 cents..........All Your Base!!!

Whoever made that post in the guestbook has no understanding about the teachings of Jesus and is spreading hate and prejudice instead of love. As a Christian, I would appreciate not being lumped in with a moron like that.

I have never said that beeing a christian makes anyone a bad person, in fact I live pretty much like what is said in the bible. I think the , dont steal, dont lie, dont kill etc are great values. I just do not belive in a god. I think do not take more than a certian amount of steps on a Sunday is redicilous though

I have also noticed people who live by the bibe, pick the rules from there that suite them. If I find some stupid rule, they usually say, it do not apply anymore, or should be taken in a different way. So basically, what gives the right to choose what is to be followed and what not? Maybe someone think "dont kill" and another think " dont work on a Sunday" is out of time and therefor do not live according to that, and yet he thinks he is a good christian.

And for science, I do not say one cannot be a scientist and a christian/muslim/urgugungydy worshipper. One can caluculate numbers and proove things beliving in anything. I would like to see the person proving the ship theory though with 2 of each animals. There is like 200000? different insects alone.....

I have promised to belive in any god the day someone prove the excistance of one.

And for life after life. I do not know that there is not one, more than you know that there is. Odds are on my side though, since if one cannot show something excist it would be more logical to consider it do not.

You would think that some theology class would be required before mounting a pulpit.

Your story brings to mind a Simpsons episode:

Ned: Homer, God didn't set your house on fire.
Rev. Lovejoy: No, but He was working in the hearts of your friends and neighbors when they came to your aid. Be they Christian, Jew, or... miscellaneous.
Apu: Hindu! There are 700 million of us.
Rev. Lovejoy: Aw, that's super.

This quote and others available here.

Agreed Billy. I think everyone knows that he was not representative. He's still a prick though.

Good point, Alan, but I wonder if that would really have much of an effect. For one thing, there are so many Bible commentaries out there with alternate interpretations -- especially WRT the poetic and prophetic genres in the Bible. IMO, the better pre-requisite course would be Literary Analysis.

One really needs to take the Bible as a whole in order to comprehend its historical threads, its covenants made and broken, its evolutionary path toward the Messiah, etc. So many Christians take an exacto knife approach to the Bible: "Let me cut and paste this one short passage as a proof text for my particular world view." (And Billy, btw, I would not make that assertion about you ).

For instance, I wonder how many Christians take into consideration that the bulk of OT law was, in a manner of speaking, made deliberately unattainable to illustrate that humanity can't "do it without God?" How many have taken to heart the greatest of commandments:

Matthew 22
36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" 37 And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets."

Maybe, by posting the above passage, I've just committed the error I have accused other Christians of making. To me, however, those few verses sum up the core of the faith.

Were you surprised, Juro?

That's the exact same mindset that claims AIDS is God's punishment on homosexuals. Some of the claims I've heard on another message board would probably really shame some true spiritual Christians. (The San Francisco earthquake? That was to get rid of gays. The Oakland fires? That was to get rid of poor blacks who join gangs.)

I wouldn't discount the fact that s/he is indeed a Christian, and does in fact feel that way. Some people use Christianity (or any belief system) simply as a means to justify the hate and bitterness they would feel with or without it. It becomes the white sheet and hood they hide behind to do their lynchings.

No, just sickened. I'm rarely surprised at the intolerance and hate that people show, but it is compounded when they claim righteousness and hide the hate behind religion.

Nice post Paolo, I agree.

You must not know many Christians finn. Your analysis is foreign to the Christianity I know and is not consistent with biblical theology. I was taught to question and explore religious doctrine, biblical theology and verse interpretation at an early age.



My answer is applicable to your first statement too. I chose to address it here.

You miss one of the fundamental reasons why Jesus came to Earth and that was to make it clear that NOBODY is perfect, NOBODY can live by all of the “rules” of the bible and NOBODY is better than anyone else.

Jesus said that to even think of a sin was just as bad as committing it in God’s eyes. This puts us all in the same boat so to speak as sinners who fall short of the teachings of the Bible. This establishes the need for God in every mans live and the need for His grace and forgiveness available through Jesus. Some misguided Christians hold themselves up to being better than everyone else and self righteous. These people have driven many people away from Christ and have done far more damage then they probably know. It is shameful.



I agree that this happens some and is a bad reflection on the all Christians. What you need to explore is the context of the stupid rule. Why is it there, who is it meant for, how is it applicable to the men it was written for and how is it applicable to 20th century man?

As Paolo stated, the Bible is to be taken in it’s totality. There is where you will find the one truth that God intended. The Bible is the cannon (yardstick) meant to be used as way to measure your own actions as to whether they are just or not.

I've been thinking- according to this logic (where God is a wrathful two-year-old throwing a destructive tantraum), I s'pose the people living inland were more "virtuous" than the "infidels" dwelling near the shore?

WHat a cold hearted douchebag. That just makes me sick. Fuckin' prick. I am sure it is a christian fanatic. BAH

Yup, what Billy said .

I would add this, however. After ~30 years of this Christian "thing," I have come to one big conclusion: Faith is perhaps 20% action and 80% attitude. I guess another way of saying that is that it's the inner world of the heart/mind/soul that matters most. Yes, action can beget attitude, but from an ontological level, it really matters not what one does if it is not in agreement with one's heart/mind/soul. And, my own sense is that, over the long haul, one's inner state very much predicts one's outer actions.

The second part of that "big conclusion?" That the institutionalized church has got it completely reversed. It tends to focus 80% of it's attention on the action/doing part. What do we end up with? A bunch of anxiously neurotic moral entrepreneurs who spend a bulk of their time pointing out others' errors vs. cultivating a heart immersed in love, peace and compassion...

LOL - I must have missed my calling. Just call me Preacher Paolo. (But, I guess the Episcopalian church is my only option for ordination. hehe)