Induce some Logic Please

Hey Folks, Good Morning ...

Im totally shocked by Linden Labs this morning. As alot of you have seen, I have been advertising a huge Mardi Gras celebration at the Road House for well over a week now. Its been posted in the events section for over a week, its been broadcast by Twister Radio day after day, and talked about all week in game. I have spent thousands of $L in preparation for this. NOW, this morning, I get this IM telling me that my contests are "to much alike and have been deleted".

Well tell me this ... What does Linden Labs care if my contests are alike ? They no longer sponsor events, they do not pay me to run events, the do not have anything to do with my events. So why are they deleting my events ? In days of old I could understand this, to an extent, but now ??!?! And when I asked about it they said," its the rules and the rules will not change" ?!?!? Im thinking to myself, LL changed the world drastically with the "NO sponsored events" and the shut down of Stripneds. Dont they think they should have changed the rules as well ? Its bad enough people no longer have fantasy money to spend in a fantasy game. not they are deleting events that would allow them to get money ?

Im a man of logic, I guess Im in need of someone that speaks and translates illogic.

I tell you this, these events WILL go on, deleted or not, they will be broadcast live on Twister, Its MY money, and MY time and effort, and my account they will lose if they ban me. "The show must go on! "

True , but i saw this coming.

They call it lookalike cause you named it exactly after Mardi Gras.
If you named it Mardi Grass however then Linden can't call it lookalike. (since the spelling is wrong)

They do it so they wouldn't get into trouble with the real people of Mardi Gras.
Since some people easily sue other companies for using their name.

Just try to rename it , i'm sure Linden will get off your back if you change the name a bit.

I don't think thats it. Everyone in the world uses the name Mardi Gras I don't believe its owned and I don't believe anyone can come after LL.

It sounds like the problem is he listed the event several times and you can't list the same event several times that are the same they have to be substantialy different.

Actually, what I was told, and still have the email .. is that a wet shirt contest and a PJ contest are to much alike. In the old days, when LL sponsored events this was held true, due to the fact they were both dress up contests. I was told had they been a kissing contest, and a wet tshirt, it would have been ok. BUT, my point being, Its my money Im giving away, and it has nohting to due with lookalikes, whats the problem ?

They don't sound alike to me. So they cancelled both events?

Yes, a few times, by different posters.

Me and 4 other people have a group owned club...
one day one of our neighbours complained about us having events and Jack linden came by to check if we were causeing lag in the club.
He told us that is wasnt the club causing the lag and then he gave me the new SL rules that said that you can only have one event per location per day unless the event has a diffrent theme and run by a nother person.
so basicly that means... if two people have an event each and it has a diffrent theme ... then its ok.... then I think its misleading that Roadhouse cant have a t-shirt contest and a PJ party.
Makes no sence?

I bet if you listed multiple events in a single event listing you'd be fine. Just list it as an all day event that includes what you would have listed seperately.

Again, if these were Linden Sponsored events I would agree whole heatedly, this post would not even exist.

If they are only going to allow me one event per day,UN sponsored, then they should only charge me for the time on my land to use it, and as I pay the 8000+M teir, that would certainly save me some money. I believe this all stems from someone trying to enforce an old code, and will not listen to reason.

This is exactly what I have done now Chip, Im waiting for it to be deleted as well.

I think it's because they don't want a single person cluttering the events listing (not saying that you'r stuff is clutter, just guessing at their reasoning.) Maybe we should have two event listings... one that's free that has the current rules, and another where you pay for listings where you can put up several for the same day.

I bumped the thread about the party. I think LL are being a little anal on this one.

My understanding is that this is not related to the recent withdrawal of events support.

Months ago, people were complaining about the spam nature of the events announcements. At this point, events announcements were still made 5 mins before every hour. Clubs that wanted to attract dwell, particularly from new residents who might be wondering "what there is to do in SL" would amazingly have a "Wet t-shirt contest" one hour, a "Sexiest Avie contest" the next, a "Sexiest dancer" promotion the next hour, and so on. New stores with barely any items for sale would have a Garage Sale Special every few hours, which would involve exactly NO event host and a bunch of things they wanted to sell scattered out on the grass in front of their house all weekend. The daily events calendar became an overlong list of club-events and non-events, and it became rather difficult to sort the event-wheat from the event-chaff

The lindens responded to this by removing the hourly community announcements for upcoming events, and by being a bit on the restrictive side interpreting what are "repetitive events" and what are unique ones.

I, for one am glad that they did it.

Ask yourself this: If you are holding event after event that involve people coming to your club, hanging around and listeniing to music while they "do something silly" or "do something sexy", are they really that unique or different?

i would seam to me that the lindins would want more events held! How else do the expect people to stay in game .i am only in game for a short time each week but it seams to me that events are what draw everyone. so what if they are the same event! they have taken a lot from us .why not take all the events too so they will have nothing.

Crazy I say, crazy! It's all a conspiracy by the man trying to keep a brotha down! Seriously though, they trippin! I agree, the party must go on! Rock on Koose!



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This is a good reply, logical, and well written, its to bad the Lindens couldnt not respond like this. Now, to reply to your reply ... Each event I had posted was completely different, and would present a challange to the avie. I did not post them an hour before the event, but more than a week before the event, giving them plenty of time to prepare with thier own well prepared costumes. Also offering oversize prize amounts to get even some of the most talented creators involved, if not directly, then indirectly though custom orders.

Why, my question is, did they decide 12 hours before this was to begin, to delete them and say they are against the rules, rather than a week ago when they were posted, and before I dumped all this money into the mainstream having objects created and designed ?

For instance, I contracted Stampshady and family to create "beads" in the spirit of the Mardi Gras, this contract alone is 3000L. I dont mind holding contests and giving money away, we have so much fun in the process, and after all it is about the fun ... but I do mind just having it thrashed when no logical responce as to why ?

It seems there is really no logic here......as far as trying to understand what Second Life is doing these days. Koose has worked very hard for these events, and as resident of Second Life for quite some time, is well respected and spends alot of money that has been put into Second Life. What really bothers me with Second Life....why now. He had this posted for some time in the events, I think about a week and nothing was ever said about this. And a PJ Contest and Wet T shirt contest about the same.....come on.....give me a break. There is another place in Second Life who is having several events like Road House and still listed in events. To me, there is no difference. I would think that Second Life would cater to the residents who have been with them through all their changes, updated versions, half the time with problems and we have been patient with them and have stuck it out. And believe me, being on Second Life with all the lag with have to deal with and the problems and the changes that Second Life has put upon us, we have been patient. Alot of dedicated people out there towards Second Life, but when Second Life starts nip picking, then we have to step back a little and say what is wrong with this picture. We are having the events, whether Second Life likes it or not.....that is what we do over at the Road House and Koose and I will be hosting a good time event with friends who support us and faithful to us. Koose is a special guy, very fair, honest and believes in what he believes in and I am behind him 100%, as I believe in it too. For the people who have written in this forum, thank you so much for support. I know Koose appreciates it and we will have the events and we will ROCK on.....See you all there at the events....

Sorry but this sounds 'personal' to me. The Road House has always had good FUN events. It's a great place to meet some fun people and to socialize and there is not ONE stripper pole in the place. WOOT! (I bring my own). To my knowledge Koose has NEVER done back to back events before so this one day is obviously not only unique but special to him or he wouldn't have worked so hard in preparation for it .... yes, a whole week or more has gone in to preparing for this day. The Lindens have had plenty of time to delete said Events but waited until the morning of ???? I notice that Phantasie Isle is also having multiple events. Themes don't seem different at all BUT the hosts are different. Absolutely nothing intended against the gang at Phantasie Isle *sigh*.

Koose, I don't think you're far off base with your beef.

I mean, "similar" events are better than no events... aren't they?

I'm drawn to SL by the building/creative-outlet factor. But I also attend events on occasion, and I think I'm pretty capable of deciding which events are too "similar" for me to attend. It's a bit odd that for an 18+ environment, LL seems to need to help us make these decisions by eliminating choices. *shrug*

"You have a choice: you can either agree with us, or disagree with us. Either way, you're going to do what we say."

It seems likely to me that LL wants to keep the world seeming full of variety to encourage new users to stay instead of looking at events and saying "wth? there's nothing but tringo and sexy av* contests. this isn't very exciting."

FWIW, good luck, Koose.

* Not dissing tringo or sexy av contests, but no one can argue that they aren't some prime examples of events "market" saturation.

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guess the Lindens dont think so lol
but I aggree ... how will people afford to stay in game if they cant have events anymore?

This sounds like a very confusing situation. It seems hard to make heads or tails of it lucidly.

Yeah, the problem isn't the events. In fact, LL should be encouraging everyone to post as many events as they humanly possibly can.

The problem is that LL can't figure out a good way to filter stuff so people only see what's interesting to them.