shot dead for the first time ..

today i was shot dead for the first time in SL. when i was fooling around in a sandbox a stranger appeared, who was quite funny to talk with. he ran around on roller skates, we chatted and than he caged me in with a strange device, attached some funny light effects on my AV, made my AV follow his and finally shot me twice.

ok, ok, it is SL, you cannot die. you don't even loose points (which is one of the reasons i like SL so much) but it was not a pleasant experience - especially after i logged in again, fell to the ground and could not move. i had to teleport home, before i could stand and move again.

i did not know that this was even possible in SL. ok, i did not 'hurt' yeah, maybe i am a sissy, but it kept me from what i planned to do in that session. honest n00b question: is this acceptable behaviour?

No it isnt. You should report it. Next time, sit on a nearby object and the cage wont be able to pull you.

thanx for the info, Eggy. i am not sure i would react fast enough if this would happen to me again. (sit down, quick!) and no, and don't want to cause problems to someone - maybe a kid - running around and trying to have fun; even if its a questionable form of "having fun".

i just was astonished that this is possible with LSL and wanted to know about the "legal situation".

Kids are not allowed on SL, and anyway "trying to have fun" is not a valid excuse for griefing behavioir, you should definately report the griefer, even if probably (and unfortunately) he won't get much more than a warning...

Actually, they are the ones causing problems, not you. If you don't want to report them for your own sense of justice, please report them so the Lindens will have a heads up on a potential trouble maker. First offenses are almost always answered in a mild fashion (a stern warning or brief 1 hour suspension), so don't worry about getting an innocent in all kinds of hot water. However if this is was just another in a series of incidents for this individual, you will be doing the community a disservice to remain quiet.

Unfortunately even second, third, fourth, fifth and so on...

ok, i understand. if it is unacceptable, like you tell me (and it seems plausible to me), i don't understand why he gave me his calling card a few minutes before he shot me ???

That hasn't really been my experience actually. I managed to get one individual suspended for a weekend and another individual..well I haven't seen them online since! SL is never going to be griefer-free, but then their petty tactics offer only the mildest inconvenience to me. I can't really get upset over it. As I have said in the past, my abuse report is normally submitted before I hit the ground, and then I am back to whatever I was doing.

My favorite incident was I was threatened by a noob. He became agitated when I largely shrugged off his threats, so he orbited me. He got suspended within the hour. Later, however, he posted a warning to others in the forums about griefing!! He apologized, and as far as I know he is a productive member of SL.

The moral of the story? Don't get upset or judge someone for griefing...because there may very well be a heart of gold somewhere beneath all the posturing. But DO REPORT THEM! It may take a couple of Linden smacks before you ever see that heart of gold

Reading trough the mind of a griefer is a black art, anyway it IS unacceptable, this i can guarantee.

I guess it varies between personal experiences, but after hearing that only 20 people got permanently banned in 2 years and that a griefer's alt has only been warned after the main has been suspended for repeated harrassment, i have totally lost any trust in Linden justice. Even someone that has only a very mild experience of online environments can notice that only 20 permanently banned people in 2 years is an excessively low number, expecially considering that SL is probably the online environment where griefers have the highest number of tools to do their "trade".
With freedom should come responsibility, and this i definately don't see as of now in SL.

Well lies, damn lies, and statistics... having 20 permabanned SLers could mean different things:

1. As you say, the Lindens allow troublemakers to run amuck.
OR
2. The diciplinary steps taken before permaban cause the griefer to moderate their own behavior, or get frustrated and leave.

I think #2 is the correct answer. The kind of mentality that relentlessly causes trouble after numerous suspensions (including the big 2-week suspension) is really rare. Most people don't want to be bothered. They either play nice or find a new game that gives them the payoff they are looking for. Only 20 short-busers managed to stick it out so long without ever finding a clue. I don't think this is a breakdown in the diciplinary system.

Well.. one may discuss and have different opinions, but calling another a liar just out of the blue seems to me a lil overboard (and the warning to the alt thing was documented in the blotter and currently is in the hotline forum)...
anyway.



Honestly this can happen in some cases, but in my online experience i've seen that griefers rarely change, they mostly get smarter not to get caught.
It's very upsetting to report someone after being shot, then receive a pre-recorded e-mail that tells you to consider the matter solved, and when, 5 minutes later you do a find on the griefer you see him online. And when this happens again with the same person one begins to wonder if it's worth it to waste 5 minutes of time to write an abuse report that 99% of the time won't have any result. I will continue to fill them, but someone might get tired, and i would understand them.

Sitting on a object is a lifesaver from abuse....:=)

WHOA tiger. There was a bit of a misunderstanding there. I was NOT calling you a Liar. "Lies, damn lies, and statistics" is a quote by Mark Twain. It basically means that stastics, even though they may be factually correct, may be incorrectly used to back up ideas that are NOT correct. It was intended to be funny. Sorry about that Shiryu, as I said, I wasn't calling you a liar.




Well as I said, my results have been different. If you have specific examples of griefers who seem to be sliding under the radar, you may want to discuss it with the Lindens. Then you may either 1. Discover there are additional reasons for the Linden's decisions you weren't previously aware of or 2. Prompt them to keep a closer eye on the person who is slipping through the cracks so they can crack down on thier next offense.

Aaaaah ok, got scared for a second



I tried, but unfortunately the only answer i always get from the lindens (even lindens that are well known for being extremely helpful and collaborative) is "sory but i am not authorised to discuss etc etc". Any attempt of discussion about this kind of issues has found a solidly locked and barred door and this is honestly one of the most upsetting things, since gives (to me at least) the impression that LL is more concerned about protecting the griefers' privacy than actually protecting honest citizens that have been griefed.
I don't know how things were before i joined (only 4 months ago after all), but what i hear from some veterans of this place is that in the past linden justice seemed more swift and effective. Maybe things have changed, lately, i honestly don't know.

Why don't you IM the guy and ask him? Sometimes it's fun to have something completely whacky happen to you. As you say, you can't get hurt, so it can be a fun experience. I understand that the most tangible loss is your time. Perhaps your new friend discerned your willingness to "go along for the ride."

Just a thought. You should IM him and ask anyway.

I agree with Champie. I bet he expected you to lol since you had exchnged calling cards and had been chatting for a bit. He may have thought you would even be impressed and want to know more about his toys. Who knows. You should talk to him.
As others have suggested, sitting on a prim works and you can still build things while sitting. some one once gave me a posing stand that I use sometimes and it makes it easier to fit avatars on too. I will drop you one if you like.

Rather than a ban for a period of time, I'd like to see ppl forced to spend their ban period in Rausch. That's actual online time not "online or offline". Then we could all see them on the map and take a wander over there and take potshots at them. Kind of a bit like the village stocks a few hundred years ago.

/\/\ A virtual prison, where you have to serve time.... god that is hilarious, and I'd love to see it in play.

Again, go to the help menu and select pvp abuse report and view pvp abuse if something like this happens. I am simply amazed at how many people don't know of this function.