Clothing Permissions

How do you prefer clothing permissions to be set when you buy them?

Personally, I'd rather see clothes permissions set to Copy/No Transfer. I often try to make different outfits with different pieces, it gets complicated if I can't have a clothing piece in more than one folder. If someone is buying the clothes as a gift to give away, they can always IM the creator and ask for different perms.

Then again, I often give away clothes I don't wear anymore to newbies, which wouldn't be possible under No Transfer. But I've seen clothing permissions abused more than anything in SL (perhaps because I'm only interested and clothes and nothing else ). No Transfer just seems "safer" to me from a creator's view.

Good idea for a poll, Jonquille. I'd also be curious to know whether people want clothes that are modifiable. That is one thing that is an irritation to me, when I buy something that I find is no-mod; I want to be able to change sleeve length/width, hem length/width, etc.

I just take Modifiable as a given Beryl. I don't even buy clothes that aren't mod anymore. But I have all my clothes set to Copy/No Transfer, since that's what most people seemed to want when I first started making clothes. Lately I've had a LOT of requests for stuff to be given to other people, or No Copy/Transfer items. Thought it was about time to ask again.

Good point! My AV has short arms. Everytime I buy a long sleeve outfit, you can't see my hands. I love modifiable clothes.

I'd like to be able to make multiple copies of items I've purchased FOR MYSELF, so that I can have the same undies, for example, in several outfit folders. Also, if it's a modifiable item, then I can save that particular shade of blue/red/purple in outfit folders. The transfer thing, I can't see why someone shouldn't be able to transfer something they've bought. I'll bet there's a good reason, it just isn't coming to mind right now. But, if copy were able to be set so that the OWNER of an item can make all the copies of the item they need (something that's modifyable) but not give copys away. (OK, I just answered my question LOL)...

SO

Owner can make all the copies they need for their own use, but not transfer copys...if they transfer, they forfeit ALL their copies of said item.

(as an option of some sorts)

but as the poll stands..

much of what I sell is mod ok/no copy/transfer ok

Hope that helps and doesn't muddy the waters too much!

That's what I meant by Copy/No Transfer. The buyer can make as many copies of the items as they like, change the colors, save them in multiple outfits, etc etc, but they cannot Transfer (sell or give away) those items.

I myself like the no copy/transfer option. After a few months when I'm ready to clean out my inventory, I would like to have the option to donate the clothes to newbs that I meet IW that would like to have cool stuff to wear but yet can't afford it.


Huggerz,
MJ

My personal fave when it comes to clothing would have to be COPY/MOD/NOTRANSFER.

When I acquire dresses and such in SL, it's usually done with the intention of never giving it away or even reselling it. After all, who else wears neon?

But seriously, I like to be able to MOD non-neon clothes and tint them if possible (a neutral white base is most helpful, since we don't yet have tools to lighten black garments and shade those). And I like to be able to Copy them, so the original package folders don't get wrecked when I "Make New Outfit". It's a pain to create New Outfits and then to discover stuff has been moved -- and in some cases, renamed if I create a custom set.

I don't really understand why a dress would be "NOCOPY" if "NOTRANSFER" is also set. Chair, yes, since you can rez multiple ones and have guests sit on them.

So, given the choice: COPY over TRANSFER for me.

When purchasing clothes:

I like having transfer - mostly so I can give an item as a gift. Much nicer surprise then dragging the giftee to the store and giving them the money to buy the gift

Copy isnt such a big deal for me. It's a bit frustrating at times, when you want wear your fav pair of undies with a different outfit etc, but I've figured out ways to live with that.

Modify is nice, especially on simple things like tshirts and so on, but I understand if a designer wants to have the outfit as-is.

When making clothes to sell:

I usually make most of my stuff modifyable. If someone wants an item that I have no mod on, and contacts me about it, I'm open to switching out things to modify. It really depends on the article of clothing.

I mostly set things to transfer, for the same reason as above - giving gifts is fun!

The bulk of my things are no-copy. No particular reason other than thinking like a retailer. If you could somehow copy that pair of Nikes you just bought RL - you would never need to buy another pair, and then you could also give out Nikes to anyone else who wanted a pair.

But again, I'm open to options when contacted about the permissions on my gear.
Cool poll!

We would make stuff modifiable, but until the Lindens fix the loophole that allows ripping off modifiable textures, it's not going to happen for most of our items. So copy/no trans is my preference.

Surreal

Much prefer Copy/NoTransfer and will buy in preference whan I can tell in advance !

Hate having to split up outfits in order to mix and match, and it discourages me from using the 'Create Outfit' feature because it makes such a mess of things in my inventory when things get taken from their original places.

Greatly prefer being able to use multiple copies to create outfit folders or avatar ensembles to my own taste.

Particularly applicable to undies, shoes and jewellery.

So more of the Copy/No Transfer option please

Ack. I didn't know about that in full, actually. I think you mentioned it to me before. Ugh.

Yuppers the Modify option violates the creators rights with the current bug in place. Thus No mod No copy...transfer unless its a dress then I make it mod for adjustments.

Anyway this has been hashed out before and the survey is ambigious due to there is not enough options listed.

Shadow

Same here - I don't even by them if they aren't mod. My AV is really tall and muscular and if I can't modify them, they can wind up being a complete waste of lindens.

You know, I must be stupid because I can't figure out how this bug works. I usually set the texture that I put onto the garment to no-mod, but I leave the garment itself modifiable. I thought that offered protection from people stealing the texture.

Trust me...there is a way and a few evil doers have figured it out. I would personally rather not spell it out on the forums though.

As for the original question, I like to buy copy/mod/no transfer. When it comes to selling though, I notice a steep increase in the number of people who want to return something that is marked "no transfer". No one ever seems to want their money back for an item if they actually have to give it back.

Considering I wanted to know whether people preferred their items No Copy or No Transfer, I'd think there were exactly enough options listed.

What other options would you have added to find out if people preferred No Copy or No Transfer?

Beryl, contact me in game and I will tell you how that problem works.

I will usually modify something for someone if they contact me in game. The same with giving gifts. I am happy to pass gifts on for people.

The real problem is that the permission system currently doesn't offer enough options to creators to adequately protect IP rights.

Surreal

There are so many things that are transient in this day and age. They come and go.

It is thus seemingly contradictory, but natural to me, that I should want to keep and treasure the items of digital clothing I own. While I could not feasibly pass them down the line to a future generation of avatar, I do know that they are with me, hopefully always (barring any asset server loss ; ), for me to cherish.

That perms bug must be frustrating.

Im sorry I wasnt clear Jonquille there is not enough options with the current permissions system to protect the creators as well as giving customers the things they request such as the two options you have on your survey.

In addition to that not distinguishing modify rights throws an ambigious twist to the survey as without those options being listed and explained it is making the survey biased.

Sorry wasnt trying to be mean or anything just how I see it at the moment.

Shadow

Ahhh, gotcha!

Yes, I agree we need much better permissions options set into the game. (For a start, seperate Resell/Give Away! Pleeeease!)

As far as Modify goes, I just took it as a given that Modify was included, and I probably shouldn't have. I've yet to meet one person who prefers clothing they buy to be unmodifiable.

I prefer copy/mod/no transfer when shopping and I set my clothes the same way. If someone wants to give the outfit as a gift they can contact me and I'll send it over to the giftee with a message from the giver.

P.S. Besides using the "print screen" feature on the pc, I wonder how is it possible to steal textures. I really want to protect my creations, but I understand why people would want their outfits to be set to mod (like the examples given in this thread). What can be done about this, besides being given some of the features that we have requested?

I am a customer before I am a designer. And I always put their ease in mind first. My clothing is in general mod/copy/no tansfer. Why mod? "isnt that unsafe for you with all these people stealing?!"

Sure it is. But I KNOW what a pain having to relog because my clothing wont load is. Ive had to do it several times. If it isnt mod, I can't force it to load. And if it doesn't load I dont wear it.

perhaps have a new function for mod so that the little box cant pop up for stealies?
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Yes, you can always contact the creator for a "transfer" item. I think that a "transfer" item is much more specialized anyway since most of us shop for ourselves.