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Shadow Weaver
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Join date: 13 Jan 2003
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01-11-2005 07:23
Wow, after reading all the economic change threads it got me started thinking.
Crime will be more abundant now. Why with less money people are gonna want that $LBack.
So what do I see comming about. Freebie Selling exploding. Newbs are gonna snag every freebie they can and start selling them cause...
A. the stuff is free B. they didnt have to buy it or build it. C. they need cash
Sorry if this sounds pessimistic but unfortunately I see this as an a serious problem about to explode.
The Bug Loopholes have not been closed for copy protection and this is evident from the bug report I submitted the other night. So with that in mind...Creators be wary as you will start seeing a lot of your stuff out there for sale but not by you.
I have been back peddaling lately on creating stuff for inworld and I am slowly starting to think I am going to back out of it all together especially now knowing people are gonna be struggling for cash. No offence this seems arrogant of me to an extent but I don't want people making a profit off all the hours "I" spent making things.
I know this thread will die quickly as its not the hot topic of the day but rest assured it will come back to haunt like so many other times I and several others have mentioned something.
Anyway, have a great day everyone.
Sincerely, Shadow Weaver
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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01-11-2005 07:28
Yeah probably - but I took 99% of my free stuff off the market and withdrew support for it a long time ago... I stopped caring about that.
I just make stuff for my friends and I to play with - occassionally getting roped into eventually putting stuff up for sale.
If people wanna slit each others throats over a couple of virtual dollars they can be my guest... I hope they do it vocally so I know who to avoid in world.
Siggy.
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Shadow Weaver
Ancient
Join date: 13 Jan 2003
Posts: 2,808
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01-11-2005 07:37
I know Siggy, the thing is I got to see that Copy Perms bug in action the other night and it disturbed me greatly. The bug is not fixed those that know how to exploit it and are new are going to be tearing the new economy a new asshole.
Unfortunately the economic sollutions offered are not sollutions but bandaids for sunken chest wound..sorry they are just gonna open things up further as these..."patches" wont hold water and it is going to get just like you said ..."Cut Throat"..but not in the sense of actuall creators competing but Thieves competing with stolen Content.
hangs head...
Shadow
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,606
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01-11-2005 07:39
From: Shadow Weaver Wow, after reading all the economic change threads it got me started thinking.
Crime will be more abundant now. Why with less money people are gonna want that $LBack.
So what do I see comming about. Freebie Selling exploding. Newbs are gonna snag every freebie they can and start selling them cause...
A. the stuff is free B. they didnt have to buy it or build it. C. they need cash
Sorry if this sounds pessimistic but unfortunately I see this as an a serious problem about to explode.
The Bug Loopholes have not been closed for copy protection and this is evident from the bug report I submitted the other night. So with that in mind...Creators be wary as you will start seeing a lot of your stuff out there for sale but not by you.
I have been back peddaling lately on creating stuff for inworld and I am slowly starting to think I am going to back out of it all together especially now knowing people are gonna be struggling for cash. No offence this seems arrogant of me to an extent but I don't want people making a profit off all the hours "I" spent making things.
I know this thread will die quickly as its not the hot topic of the day but rest assured it will come back to haunt like so many other times I and several others have mentioned something.
Anyway, have a great day everyone.
Sincerely, Shadow Weaver You are getting the picture Shadow. Prepare for CHAOS! Not to mension the Griefers. *Security for Hire*
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
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01-11-2005 07:44
From: Shadow Weaver I know Siggy, the thing is I got to see that Copy Perms bug in action the other night and it disturbed me greatly. The bug is not fixed those that know how to exploit it and are new are going to be tearing the new economy a new asshole.
Unfortunately the economic sollutions offered are not sollutions but bandaids for sunken chest wound..sorry they are just gonna open things up further as these..."patches" wont hold water and it is going to get just like you said ..."Cut Throat"..but not in the sense of actuall creators competing but Thieves competing with stolen Content.
hangs head...
Shadow Ahhh, I see your point! - I was under the impression that they had found these and fixed them - I guess I was misguided in that -- good luck man  Siggy
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Siggy Romulus
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Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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01-11-2005 07:46
From: Blake Rockwell You are getting the picture Shadow. Prepare for CHAOS! Not to mension the Griefers. *Security for Hire* I prepared for Chaos - it's an island  Can I hire you for a day to test all my acme weapons on? That would be fun - aint nothing so bad in SL that can't be washed away by the sight of a grown man being defeated by a rubber mallet, a trampoline and a huge red magnet. Siggy.
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
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01-11-2005 07:47
Yes. I'd like to announce that with the advent of the new economy I will be reinventing myself as a professional griefer and bug-exploiting content thief.
Your items for sale at my place soon, Cheap!
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,601
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01-11-2005 08:09
From: Kris Ritter Yes. I'd like to announce that with the advent of the new economy I will be reinventing myself as a professional griefer and bug-exploiting content thief.
Your items for sale at my place soon, Cheap! I'm so there. Can't wait to buy my stuff... I've been saving up!
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
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01-11-2005 08:14
This change is so small for the bank balances of newbs that I fail to see how it's going to lead to grannies being mugged?!?!  If a newb was going to do what you say, they'd do it anyway even if the stipend bonus was doubled. The difference is that negligible when you think about it.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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01-11-2005 08:17
From: Shadow Weaver I know Siggy, the thing is I got to see that Copy Perms bug in action the other night and it disturbed me greatly. The bug is not fixed those that know how to exploit it and are new are going to be tearing the new economy a new asshole.
Unfortunately the economic sollutions offered are not sollutions but bandaids for sunken chest wound..sorry they are just gonna open things up further as these..."patches" wont hold water and it is going to get just like you said ..."Cut Throat"..but not in the sense of actuall creators competing but Thieves competing with stolen Content.
hangs head...
Shadow Shadow, How did you see this in action?
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Shadow Weaver
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Join date: 13 Jan 2003
Posts: 2,808
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01-11-2005 08:17
From: someone Yes. I'd like to announce that with the advent of the new economy I will be reinventing myself as a professional griefer and bug-exploiting content thief.
Your items for sale at my place soon, Cheap! Today 10:46 AM PFFt...Kris Im just gonna consider you a Factory Outlet....as that stuff was prototypes and not totaly perfected..  . B ut at least your not selling the Bible with Typos...cause I dont think anyone would buy the "Word According to Gob" Then again your sunday school teacher might notify you "Today Class we are going to study Sadam and Steve." Shadow
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Alby Yellowknife
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
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01-11-2005 08:17
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Shadow Weaver
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Join date: 13 Jan 2003
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01-11-2005 08:22
Cris, thats all I will say as all the information and procedural has been turned over to Jill Linden and I hope they get it fixed.
I can say it was done 5 times repetitively and proven and the steps and methods for it given to LL for evaluation and hopefully fixing.
When LL assures me that its fixed and its tested again that it is fixed. I will report what it was then but for now just accept that its there and its a Major Permissions bug.
Shadow
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Everyone here is an adult. This ain't DisneyLand, and Mickey Mouse isn't going to swat you with a stick if you say "holy crapola."<Pathfinder Linden> New Worlds new Adventures Formerly known as Jade Wolf my business name has now changed to Dragon Shadow. Im me in world for Locations of my apparrel Online Authorized Trademark Licensed Apparel http://www.cafepress.com/slvisionsOR Visit The Website @ www.slvisions.com
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Pendari Lorentz
Senior Member
Join date: 5 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,372
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01-11-2005 08:25
From: Shadow Weaver Cris, thats all I will say as all the information and procedural has been turned over to Jill Linden and I hope they get it fixed.
I can say it was done 5 times repetitively and proven and the steps and methods for it given to LL for evaluation and hopefully fixing.
When LL assures me that its fixed and its tested again that it is fixed. I will report what it was then but for now just accept that its there and its a Major Permissions bug.
Shadow In the meantime Shadow, do you think it is better to make items copy/no transfer if we are selling them?
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Jesrad Seraph
Nonsense
Join date: 11 Dec 2004
Posts: 1,463
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01-11-2005 08:26
Artificially increased scarcity of the ingame currency is part of The Plan. Yes, I'm part of THAT Conspiracy™.
Nobody wondered why I was distributing my stuff for free. Think hard. Now.
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Shadow Weaver
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Join date: 13 Jan 2003
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01-11-2005 08:54
Pendari, doesnt matter what you set them at all of them to include the Creator can be circumvented and was proven 5 times even the NO Transfer was circumvented.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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01-11-2005 08:56
From: Shadow Weaver Cris, thats all I will say as all the information and procedural has been turned over to Jill Linden and I hope they get it fixed.
I can say it was done 5 times repetitively and proven and the steps and methods for it given to LL for evaluation and hopefully fixing.
When LL assures me that its fixed and its tested again that it is fixed. I will report what it was then but for now just accept that its there and its a Major Permissions bug.
Shadow Shadow, I wasn't asking how as in what is the technique, just how you happened upon this - I am glad you turned it over to them, I have been working with Phoenix recently as I continue to be plagued by the problem. Thank you for providing them with that info.
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