v1.2 and prim density (group) issues

Okay, this isn't a flame or anything, but I'm tired of spending 20mins explaining this phenomenon to every person I chat about the 1.2 changes with...

Okay, I'm going to use Nexus Prime in this example because I believe it is the most prim-dense construct in SL right now.

Now, prim-density can be measured in the # of prims per 1m^2. Now, with this Olive-like resource allocation system, it is being proposed that land-size will directly determine the amount of prims a user account can rez in the simulator. This is obviously a good way of cutting up how much each user can use... but what about groups?

Anyhow, the problem I forsee with groups is that prim-density will not be maintainable. With prims being allotted to parcels, even parcels put side by side will not be able to maintain a prim density of say 85 prims in 10m^2 hypothetically speaking.

Now stop me if I missed something, ok?

Group can afford .5 of a sim together and deed together .25 of the sim. This one single plot can now lay claim to 25% of the prim resources of the simulator within 25% of 16^2 acres or roughy 2^2acres. That's still not enough density for the amount of space. Nexus Prime can be built in that amount of space (hypothetically), but requires more prims to make it complete. This would either require everyone in the group to deed all their land to complete the .5 of the sim that the group owns or, for the members with larger plots (and thus prim allotment), the ability to allocate extra prims beyond the land space they provided. Otherwise, the level of prim density will not be achieved and will be spread out amongst the parcels.

There is then also resource permissions and ownership issues, but I won't get into that.

Does anyone know how this is going to work for sure?

Sims with Linden-owned land will have a higher ratio of prims per m^2. Linden owns tons of land in Bonifacio.

According to Philip at the meeting last night, your prim allocation is tied to the amount of land you own in a sim, but you can use those prims wherever you want in the sim. And it won't be possible to give any of your prim allocation away at first, but this will be included in a later update of 1.2.

So, (if really true) you and your group will still be able to concentrate your prims into one big build or dense location.

thank you for your responses guys... hopefully we will be able to use our prim allotments anywhere in the sim our land occupies... however, another prim density issue has arisen in my head.

Suppose we deeded the land together as a group. Does that land instantly suck up prims proportional to the amount of land each member donated? What if I had a really nice tower or something that didn't occupy as much space as it did prims.... can you see where I'm going? If I wanted to donate my extra space to the group deeded land, what'll happen?

Hehehe.. and with resource permissions in the group... wow. I can only forsee a MUCH higher level of commitment to think about before joining a group.

So prim-hogging will not affect individual players, but be confined to warring factions within groups? That ought to be popcorn-thread worthy material right there.

I'd better get more popcorn.

Hmm.....

We need havoc 2

If the sims get upgraded to 30,000 prims per sims, all of these problems go away (well, for a couple of months at least).


As far as I'm concerned, given the current state of in-game object complexity, 156 prims per 1024 sq.m. isn't really enough.
300-600, though, would be enough.

Join my freeway project I posted about it in the Projects forum. If we can convince the Linden's to own 10-20% of the land in each sim this will help alleviate some of the prim distribution problems (10-20% Linden land owner ship= 8-18% greater prim distribution for all the other owners)

Has any Linden ever suggested that Havok 2 would triple the prim limit in a sim? The figure I heard was that Havok 2 might bring the prim limit up to 15k, a mere 50% increase.

Yeah, that's sort of my concern too Bit. 156 prims : 1024^2m seems like sims are going to be covered by vast tracts of simple contructs (virtual shantys? ). Sure, if lindens bought up land within sims to increase prim density in user-owned land, we might be able to achieve or maintain the more interactive and beautiful constructs... however, I think this defeats their plans of everyone owning and buying land... if I have the figures right in my brain...

Yes, Icon, exactly. I think 1.2 changes have a lot of impact on groups.

Most group members have a private build as well as contributing to the group project. For a lifer, who reasonably expected never to pay any more money to Linden Labs, again, I have to decide how I want to use my resources.

In the old world, I could support the group and do things on my own. Now I may have less support to contribute to the group, or I may have to pay a monthly fee in order to support the group.

I think if group members have dedicated all their in-world resources or are incurring additional monthly fees, their expecatations of what they should get out of the group experience may change. I would not be surprised to see the internal politics of groups to become more intense.

This is true. It's going to take a LOT of talking things over in the next few weeks to be sure how (and if) a group is going to maintain the group land. More big changes are still ahead, and we REALLY need to know what the exchange rate of Lindenbucks to dollars in account money is going to be. That'll tell us whether group members will be able to hold on to the property solely by using their spare $L or will be hit by REAL costs.