Just Say No! to inter-grid exchange

OK, just got out of the Town Hall like everybody else. The more I think about it, the more I believe Ben should discard every hand-me-down he's been given. And as for the concerns about inter-grid commerce, my thought is to keep it way, way simple. As in: none. Ditto for inter-grid charity.

I wasn't here for the Pioneer Epoch of the main grid, but I can imagine (dimly) what it was like: blank slate, trees everywhere, and vistas out the wazoo.

Who could be the Kid Grid's Cubey? What will their Seacliff look like? Who among them will become their Maxx? Their Baccara? Their Chip? Their RacerX? Their Anshe? Their Damien? Their Diamonos? Their Psyra? Their Marcos? Their Salazar Jack?

Let's please let them wander their land, seas and skies for themselves, and imprint them utterly with their own efforts, without compelling them to react immediately to the implicit challenges and limitations of older, more settled visions of Second Life's potential.

== danny d.

Seconded. Inter-grid commerce should be limited to teaching and knowledge. Teachers from the primary grid, if they have been vetted by the Lindens as "youth-friendly", should be provided to teach classes, workshops, and give assistance to the youth in learning how to make use of Secondlife's tools.

I think some of the kids are going to blow us away with what they create, and I think that they should have total credit for it. "Sure, that's a pretty good airship, but they were only able to make it because I gave them modifyable scripts, textures, the works. Their creation isn't really very original at all."

<edit> Just read the Town Hall logs. Total separation between grids, apparently. Even better. I do hope that the Lindens will implement some way to showcase the creations that come out of the youth grid.

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In the early days of this grid going live, I expect Mom or Dad will cut/copy/paste code on behalf of the kids to attempt to gain an upperhand in the economy. There will be an obvious panacea to make money and "get rich quick schemes" based on work done on the adult grid. That would be tantamount to exploitation.

What's to stop an adult from from pretending he/she is their 13 year old who has no interest in SL whatsover?

The original grid had Beta.

When SL went live, the Beta grid provided some content to start out, as most MMORPG's do, the Beta grid was there to help establish something.

The Teen Grid does not have a Beta, it has a full blown release it can take stuff from.

I say YES to inter-grid exchange. We are the Teen Grid Beta, starting content is *good*.

I'm sure they'll be able to develop stuff well on their own as well, just as others did in SL.

One of the questions would be support. What if someone here sells something on the grid there, and the customer on the teen grid needs help with it? I suppose that would be a caveat: no support.

In case anyone missed it, it was said that LL might consider putting our vendors on their grid...

Thats a good point. I would think anything that is closed source, and would potentialy need to have support to it, wouldn't work out too well.

The only logical things would be open source, or items that are "final products" and don't offer support.

I suppose potentialy you could have "teen support" for your product, but how? You are not allowed on the grid, and probably wouldn't be allowed to have much contact. Plus what if suddenly your teen support decides to screw you or do shift business behind your back, there'd be no way to counteract it.

Hmm... you could do support through a webpage, but thats an extra step then. You could have it setup that anyone could go to webpage (from a cross-grid vendor), and ask for support through email to the seller. That would be the only way me thinks.

And also we're assuming RPC will be available (from the town hall Robin said the same LSL tools would be available), however that could change.

Any limitation of inter grid exchange is ridiculous and will be gamed. Punish the honest. Give business to the dishonest.

At least they'll have a clean slate when it comes to land. For that I envy them.

Agreed.

The only real solution is to use a different currency and make it against TOS to trade the currency.

This will remove any financial incentive for adults to get involved.

I'm willing to bet 100$ (L$, heh) that this is what happens eventually.

The whole operation is being circled by sharks, its just a matter of time. I'd like to see what TeenSL comes up with, though. A photo blog would be nice.

I do believe it will be gamed, but not via the methods the Lindens are trying to protect against. It seems inevitable, if depressing. I'm guessing mini-land-barons first.

If if there's no direct transfer solution by itself between worlds. It will probably be possible to 'backup' items from the main SL grid and reload them on the Teen grid using llGet/SetPrimitiveParams() and copy/paste of scripts.
I guess it's even possible (texture) IDs are the same, as Philip mentioned items were transferrable between both grids.

I don't think it will take a long time, before several of the entrepeneurs in SL, who are now blocked by limited or no transfer options find teen 'liasons' to manage their stuff on the teen grid.

Actually, robin was saying it was going to be setup like an estate. This means the transfer options are far more abundant.

-Adam

If trade between grids wasnt available i already see parents creating accoints for their kids (or big brothers for little brothers, cousins, and so on) just to copy/paste scripts and transfer textures and have them sell their own products on the teen grid, Turning their kids into little shopkeepers. Sharks always find a way to get to your legs. The only way would be making all items completely uncompatible between the two grids, but this would require completely rewriting the second life code.
At least allowing commerce between grids, Linden Lab has a chance to regulate it. By outlawing it, it will run anyway hidden in the background and it will be MUCH more difficult to regulate it.

While I agree that the users of a new grid should build their own economy, or not, without the imposition of ideas, products, or services from outside, I think your other point is debatable. Denying new grid users the fruit of our collective effort seems cruel, akin to barring a student from the public library so that she isn't "burdened" or "challenged" with the thought and inspiration of those who have gone before.

Could a teen-based community recreate the bootstrapping effort? Certainly. Would it be in the spirit of the collaborative building environment that Linden Lab opened up when it let in the first non-staff alpha users? I don't think it would. The SL alpha users had the benefit of build examples from the earliest Lindens, which provided a sense of what might be possible for their own efforts. The beta users stood upon the shoulders of the alpha users. And so it continues. Would it benefit anyone to deny new grid users examples of what they, too, can create?

I believe there will be many enterprising folks working on weapons and clothing and all manner of builds on the new grid. That said, I completely fail to see how providing free, as in code, example builds will in any way compell anyone there to react to "implicit challenges," unless by that you mean to say that they'll have a better picture of what can be done with the tools at their disposal and insiration for something greater.

i gave some things to content. i don't have a problem with it.

one solution might be a noman's land, common luna & dore type sims might be accessible to all of us so that we could teach them and sell/support things. a very small area like that could be easily monitored. it might even only be available during normal business hours.

i am so 100% OUT for intergrid exchange. intergrid exchange is ridiculous.

i don't think giving kids GOM and IGE on on the same currency is good for our game.

IGE and GOM for kids on their own currency is not a good idea in my opinion. they should be playing. but what we consider small amounts of hobby money is a large income for a 14 yr old. and they will work it. kids will generally not have good business ethics. they are kids! and you want to tie our currencies?

if this goes through as, i'm going to teach my teenaged cousins to land baron.

DO NOT DO THIS! PLEASE

Teach me to Land Baron LOL! Are you a consultant now?

go through the forum archives. it's all there, blakey