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Dave Zeeman
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10-21-2003 19:29
Ok, final edit:
I crash a lot, there is no trigger to the cause, it's completely random, so if I'm ever in a bad mood, you can assume it's because I'm crashing too much. If I suddenly stop moving while talking to you or doing something, it's not that I don't like you, but I crashed.
If I don't come back on when I should, it's merely because I'm fed up for the night and quit. So whenever I seem at my angriest, remember, it's not your fault.
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Mikey Spade
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10-22-2003 07:23
My crashes have become much more frequent in 1.1 as well. I would crash 5 or so times a night in 1.0. Now, in the hour or so I've attempted to play 1.1, I crashed within a minute most of the time and almost every time I teleported anywhere.
New video card will arrive in a day or 2 so hopefully things will get better.
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Gwydeon Nomad
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10-22-2003 08:52
Dave I know this may sound like an echo but here goes (Again just trying to be helpful here):
I asume you have:
Uninstalled and updated your video drivers to the latest version (What vid card you have?)
Installed the latest Direct X version
Installed all available windows patches for your version of windows (what version of windows?)
Now to slightly deeper possible issues
Run Defragment and Scandisk /autofix /nosave /surface
This will help clean up and verify harddrive stability, look for bad sectors listed after the surface scan finishes, if your 30+ call the manufacturer.
Start -> Run -> 'Msconfig' -> OK
In this utility, on the startup tab, uncheck EVERYTHING (In win 98/Me leave ScanReg and SysTray checked) and restart.
Start -> Run -> 'Regedit' -> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE -> SOFTWARE -> MICROSOFT -> WINDOWS -> CURRENT_VERSION -> Remove anything in the folders in this list that start with "Run"
These are other programs or fucnctions starting up when your PC starts (bad thing).
Still having problems after this point?
Shut down your PC, take it appart (Im not kidding). Take out all the Cards and plug them back in. If you trust yourself re-seat the memory and processor as well.
Try running without your sound card (only one we can eliminate this way) if you dont crash you have found your culprit.
Still having problems after all this?
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Ama Omega
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10-22-2003 09:26
When putting the computer back together try putting PCI cards into different slots than they were when you took them out. This really may help - if two of your cards getting heavy use durring SL are on the same channel/path/IRQ (sound, video, network).
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Gwydeon Nomad
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10-22-2003 09:30
I almost mentioned that but If he has a board with quirks I don't want him to get an IRQ error. You know how some boards / cards can be. Heck I still have an issue where my Sound card and Nic can only be in certain slot configurations or they just wont work at all.
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Chip Midnight
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10-22-2003 09:38
All good suggestions... however, if Dave was able to run SL without the crashes prior to 1.1 but now has them in 1.1, it's not likely to be an IRQ issue, poorly seated ram, or anything similar. I wouldn't start moving cards around or reseating the CPU and RAM unless it's absolutely the last resort.
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Ama Omega
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10-22-2003 09:43
Graphics got bumped up a fair notch in 1.1 . I would argue that its possible that a graphics card sharing with a sound card could run reasonably stable in 1.0.11 and then cause crashes under the higher demand of 1.1 . I'm not saying it is the case, but I think it is possible.
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Gwydeon Nomad
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10-22-2003 09:47
Trust us Chip, it is VERY much a possibility. Reseating the cards is to help avoid / repair a Thermal issue. The IRQ comments were related to switching the card possitions in the case that a PCI slot has gone / is going bad and this would help to test that. Also Reseating CPU / RAM is NOT the last resort. Last resort 1: Debug -> Fdisk -> Format -> Reinstall Last resort 2: Start replacing parts  |
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James Miller
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10-22-2003 09:59
He has an ATI card. As most ATI users are seeing, they don't work well with 1.1. I personally hate ATI, simply because they don't work well with most games. If I were an ATI user who played SL, I'd switch to nVidia asap.
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10-22-2003 10:13
From: someone Originally posted by James Miller
He has an ATI card. As most ATI users are seeing, they don't work well with 1.1. I personally hate ATI, simply because they don't work well with most games. If I were an ATI user who played SL, I'd switch to nVidia asap. That's not entirely true James. It's only the 3.8 Catalyst drivers for ATI that are causing the problems. I'm running an ATI Radeon 9800 w/ Catalyst 3.7, and 1.1 is running silky smooth for me- so far  -Bone |
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Gwydeon Nomad
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10-22-2003 10:22
Well if 3.7 is working then go with that but I have to agree, I avoid ATI like the plauge, they (Like 3dfx before them) can't seam to make something generaly compatable. I don't know what magic it is that nVidia does, but it works. I swear by nVidia, I'd rather have a SLIGHTLY slower card that works with everything. Its going to be funny to see who actualy has the compatability issues when HL2 comes out. |
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Lola Bombay
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10-22-2003 11:44
From: someone Originally posted by Bonecrusher Slate That's not entirely true James. It's only the 3.8 Catalyst drivers for ATI that are sausing the problems. I'm runnint at ATI Radeon 9800 w/ Catalyst 3.7, and 1.1 is running silky smooth for me- so far
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Chip Midnight
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10-22-2003 12:34
From: someone Originally posted by Gwydeon Nomad
I don't know what magic it is that nVidia does, but it works. I swear by nVidia, I'd rather have a SLIGHTLY slower card that works with everything. I'm not sure how magic nvidia is. I'm having many of the same issues as the ATI people on two different nvidia cards in two different machines. I'm inclined to think there's another piece to the puzzle... like perhaps one of the MS hotfixes that hit windows update on the 19th. That's about when my problems started.
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Gwydeon Nomad
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10-22-2003 13:12
Well then that sounds like reload time for your system. Clean sweep and add things until it breaks, then you have discovered the culprit (or A culprit)
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Briana Dawson
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My first crash ever was today.
10-22-2003 13:45
Today was the *first* time SL ever crashed me out of the game (program error window appears and an SL window telling me the program crashed). Prior to 1.1. (playing since 23 September 03), I only ever crashed on quitting the game where the game would just start to quit and then freeze and never do so, and this occured 4 times that I can recall.
I not only crashed once this morning, but twice - and the music playing is worse than ever. I'm hearing music eminate from places more than 256meters from me (my visual distance), and its not just a quiet background music either; and 'no', my Audio sound rollover (or whatever its called) is not turned off (i only turn that off at Lola's).
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Gwydeon Nomad
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10-22-2003 14:34
See above software related troubleshooting steps.
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BlackAdder York
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10-22-2003 15:11
From: someone Originally posted by Bonecrusher Slate That's not entirely true James. It's only the 3.8 Catalyst drivers for ATI that are causing the problems. I'm running an ATI Radeon 9800 w/ Catalyst 3.7, and 1.1 is running silky smooth for me- so far
-Bone What's true for the 9800 ain't necessarily true for other Radeons. My 9200 runs 1.1 just as poorly with earlier drivers as it does with Cat 3.8.
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Dave Zeeman
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10-22-2003 15:14
My crashes are due to something specific inside of Second Life, as I can now fly around in a beautiful world without fear of crashing. I'm forever trying to figure out exactly what it is that's crashing me, as I'll take 2 steps forward, crash, take one step back, then crash again, then go another step back only to realize that I'm a few steps too late cuz I keep crashing! I go to smallest settings possible and no crashes, so very slowly I'm realizing what I can do and can't do.
Don't worry about me crashing any more as I think I can pinpoint the problem and show the Lindens what it is, thanks everybody for your concern!
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Mikey Spade
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10-23-2003 08:24
Amazingly, after the update yesterday I was much more stable. Not as stable as 1.0 on the old Catalyst 3.1 but more stable than 1.0 with Catalyst 3.7 or 3.8.
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Jolene Jade
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10-23-2003 09:56
From: someone Originally posted by Gwydeon Nomad
Dave I know this may sound like an echo but here goes (Again just trying to be helpful here):
I asume you have:
Uninstalled and updated your video drivers to the latest version (What vid card you have?)
Installed the latest Direct X version
Installed all available windows patches for your version of windows (what version of windows?)
Now to slightly deeper possible issues
Run Defragment and Scandisk /autofix /nosave /surface
This will help clean up and verify harddrive stability, look for bad sectors listed after the surface scan finishes, if your 30+ call the manufacturer.
Start -> Run -> 'Msconfig' -> OK
In this utility, on the startup tab, uncheck EVERYTHING (In win 98/Me leave ScanReg and SysTray checked) and restart.
Start -> Run -> 'Regedit' -> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE -> SOFTWARE -> MICROSOFT -> WINDOWS -> CURRENT_VERSION -> Remove anything in the folders in this list that start with "Run"
These are other programs or fucnctions starting up when your PC starts (bad thing).
Still having problems after this point?
Shut down your PC, take it appart (Im not kidding). Take out all the Cards and plug them back in. If you trust yourself re-seat the memory and processor as well.
Try running without your sound card (only one we can eliminate this way) if you dont crash you have found your culprit.
Still having problems after all this? ************************************************** what about : Start -> Run ->dxdiag......?????? diagnostic test are warm and fuzzy. I had to restore XP after upgrade.....since then it has run fine...but did have a couple of crashes last night. Sound is lagging so far behind......(yanking hair).........my stipend was held...i know about the change it doesnt mean i like it. so really ...... there has been many problems......so whats my point.....a sharp #2 pencil (if the #2 is the #1, why is it still #2?)....... hugs (dave...you crack me up....lmao.....).. |