Let's fix the prim issue.

So, before 1.2, we had Olive. Why not open a Sim that uses pre-1.2 rules about prim density? Ie if you have the land, you can use as many prims as you want.

This will, on paper, let the people that are saddened by the passing of their 5000 prim castle re-rez it and keep it up for all the world to see.

Land would count towards your total land allotment, of course, but if you have a 4x4 space, you can slam 3000 prims on it no problem.

Who's with me?

LF

no, the money system is tied up. You can't just put an unlimited number of prims down. If you really want this, tell me what server will be targeted so I can go around this potential mass of lag!

P.S It's not gonna happen!

Why wouldn't it happen? It was happening all over the place prior to 1.2.

LF

Why not just let the people decide for themselves!
Jebus. I hate the longwinded politicking about self government that pops up now and then, but it wouldnt be such a bad idea for a server like Slate, where everyone is part of the same community, to be able to set some global options for that server.

Um ya.. that's why 1.2 came around...

my request was half-sarcastic anyway.

There seems to be a very vocal minority that is harshly resisting the new prim rules, as if it's an invading army or something. i want them to have their own sim so they can stop rallying to enforce weirder prim restrictions than what already exists, and let them bicker amongst themselves over prim banking

LF

LOL why didn't you say that before?!?! NOW your talking!That's a great idea! Can we lock em on an island somewhere? A lone sim in the middle of the sea?!? Well I have to go to class now, see you guys later!

That sim is going up for US$ auction at some point.

I don't think it is the vocal minority really. I know that everyone I meet and talk to is split on this issue, but *most* do not like how low the amount of prims per land allotment number is. I'm all for limits on the number of prims, I just think they are way too low for the amount of land needed to support them. I also was never one that complained about prim banking and had friends on both sides of the issue.

I do not think it is bickering to discuss what we like or dislike about items in the game. I seem to recall that most everyone here on this board has come and posted at one time or another on something that they disliked. Just because you don't happen to agree on this issue with some people, does not mean they do not have a right to post their opinion.

And I personally do like being accused of "bickering" as I know I have done nothing of the sort. Yet your post is pointed at me (indirectly) in that we stand on semi-opposite ends of this issue. Of course, if you read my entire posts, you also find that for the most part I am very much in support of v1.2. And I know that most who are posting their objections are avid players and long time lovers of this game. Their opinions should not be dismissed outright or mocked.

That's my opinion on this issue at least.

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Right, so how 'bout we open a section of the forums for Lordfly to post his glib, semi-sarcastic, incendiary posts that are meant just to get a rise out of people? That way we can all just look occasionally at the posts, chuckle to ourselves and remark, "That darned LF, at it again," and then go on about our business.

Who's with me?

Great post Beryl.

And I have to agree with Pendari (which I know is probably not a shock, as it is very clear what side I am on as well). It is not a vocal minority - I would say the divide is fairly even. And considering your gigantic commissioned build was the first thing that sent Federal over the top after months of peaceful coexistence, your conversion to the "oh prim limits are a good thing, I'm not restricted at all now because I can make an entire floating house out of 2 prims" is interesting, to say the least Lordfly

well... any THREE of them anyway


i'd be all up for a non-limited sim like that... but where you had to 'rent' yer land monthly with $l.. aka when you 'bought' land it would only be good for a week and would cost the number of prims you wanted to rez on it or somethin like that... aka you *COULD* have an insanely detailed 5,000 prim house but it'd cost ya $5k (which actually isn't THAT big a problem for some of the more notable notables around the game... hell it'd give ya somethin to do with yer money that everyone's been complaining they have no need for anymore)

think of it like a 'choose yer own tax' type of sim... which could be good both for high prim people who just aren't physically able to maintian those kinds of structures anymore, and low prim people who are having trouble finding contiguous chunks of land (since there'd be enough high density plots to fill up sims like this assumably with prims more or less... there'd be alot of otherwise empty land left, that people could have pretty cheap if they only wanted say 200 prims on a 2048sqm plot

Perhaps, but it wasnt my idea to construct a replica of the parthenon, retrofitted to be an erotica museum, re-retrofitted to have a dance club attached to it, and then jury-rigged to have a motorcycle avenue thing on top. I was simply building what my client wanted. Also consider the client had put about 200 pedestals in trhe build to "reserve" prims. That wasn't my doing either

besides, once i heard the prim limits were hitting 100%, i cut down on the columns as much as i could.

As for my stunning "conversion"... well, i can adapt. Can you?


There's a reason we only get x amount of prims per meter. it's because the Sim is so large, and the prim limit is only set to 15,000. It's not because they WANT us to have 4 prims per meter, it's because that's what SL can support at this time.

Easy peasy.


LF

I think it might not be unreasonable to add maybe 200 to 300 more prims per location, even 150 more makes a difference.

Just a suggestion.

I would be kind of disappointed to see a bunch of whiners being coddled when so many of us are, if not overjoyed, then at least willing to clean up our builds and live with the prim allotments. I have helped out a couple of new residents build houses and I have to say you can do a pretty decent house with the new 500-odd meter lots they get, so anyone with larger properties ought to be able to do a very nice house. BTW, the clinging to excess land until the very last moment that we are seeing is disgusting, and is, again, causing some new residents to leave as they cant find any to buy. Driving customers off is the very BEST way to kill off SL. Even if you paid a lot for land in a private sale, unless you're going to tier up, it's time to release it; nobody's going to pay inflated prices for land now. They are all holding out for the new mature sims up north.

Eh, but then where does it end? A few prims here, a few prims there... suddenly, we have a request for 50000 more prims per Sim

i'm sure, positive, 100% that the lindens will add to the prim count as they're able to. Maybe in 1.3, or when havok 2.0 comes out.

LF

What if the Lindens set it up so that there was one "special" plot of land per sim.

One plot of land, perhaps 4K-8K sq m.
-could not be subdivided
-could not be sold directly; only returned to Lindens
-obtained through auctions, contests, or some other Linden sponsored method
-could be owned by individuals or groups
-only ONE special plot could be owned by any particular individual or group
-would require that the owner/group has tiered up sufficiently for ownership of the entire plot.

For that one plot, a high prim allowance
- perhaps double the normal allowance, or
- maybe 10% (1500) of prims plus the normal allowed for that size plot
- maybe just add an additional 1500+/- prims; I don't know how hard the 15000 prim limit is. Or, if Havok2 allows more prims, set aside some of those for super-plots

This would allow for a single super-build per sim, without seriously hurting the ability for the rest of the residents of that sim to build more reasonable things.

The location could be at a sim corner, allowing adjacent "super-plots" for shopping centers, etc. Superplots could not have restricted access, pay-for-access, or things such as scripted doors to limit access. The whole point is to allow larger builds for public enjoyment. I would allow casinos and arcades - "pay to play" is ok, "pay to see" is not.

This would be contingent on the accounting system being able to deal with it. There would also need to be either an honor system (hahahahahahahahhahahahaha), or some set of rules to prevent abuse, such as 4 people setting up 8 groups so that each could virtually own 2 such plots, etc.

Any thoughts?

Dusty

It's time to start chanting: "group... land... Group... Land... GROUP... LAND...!"

Get all your group's individual parcels under a single (group) ownership and you can once again concentrate those prims where they are needed, rather than going "Let's see... is it sitting on the 1024m parcel or on the 64m one?" Time to take back prim control! Give us group land, GROUP LAND!

Wow, talk about an incendiary post. Just because a group of people are not happy about a change does not make them whiners, any more so than you are one for expressing your opinion. Your slurring people who disagree with you is the far more disappointing part.

I'm not slurring anyone. My root canal has made me unusually cranky, though, I'll admit. I'm not wild about some of the elements of 1.2 but I don't have time to waste in pointless nostalgia. All things considered, I'd rather have restrictions on my prim usage than be trying to make a sofa out of shirts and fish steaks in UO, or being tied up by continuously looking for rocks and beetles, as much fun as ATITD is... SL would have to get a whole lot worse before it compared to any other online experience.

Point taken! As someone who has had extensive mouth surgery, I can symathise(sp) with the pain. I hope you feel better soon!

I too felt your statement was a bit harsh. In fact, the good points you make were lost in what felt like insults. I hate that in a discussion as it takes away from the point a person was trying to make and forces most to focus solely on that one bad aspect. Human nature to do so perhaps?

At any rate, I know that I, and Cris (though not trying to speak for him) do both love SL dearly. There is no other game I would like to play more at this time or in the forseeable future. What people like and dislike, as well as our personalities, will always vary. I've never had a problem with people disagreeing with me. Ask Cienna, whom I consider a great friend. We *often* disagree on a lot of things. hehe.. I just think that what may be a passionate issue for some, may not be for others. And yes, there are always kooks!

I just ask not to be ignored outright as a "whiner", "bitcher", "complainer", what have you.. Anyone who knows me knows that is far from the type of person I am. I just want to see a fair discussion on the game we love, from people who truely want what is best for *all* or nearly all in SL.

Spits in Daves coffee when he isn't looking.

Oh, man I wish this were true.

I'd love to have 16000+ prims. In fact I get a paltry 900 or so split across 2 sims cos there's no damned land available.

it's actually more like 3 prims per each square of 16m. Which I've now used. No more building for me ever! yay! And now I'm unemployed by default following 1.2, I shall just 'hang out' and bug people instead.