What if...

I bought an avatar from a residents(who currently shall remain nameless)... after buying it, I complicated her on the very interesting avatars.. she then told me, "thanks, but I didnt make them ".

I was suspicous so I took them out and checked the creators. They only said:
newbie_template
(nobody)

Could this be a possible copy hack that LL doesnt know about?
I will name the people to Lindens if they are interested.
If its ok with the Lindens...I will post the location of the store as a "buyer beware" location

Until then, any comments?

(nobody) has been around since i've been here, at least...

I really wish (nobody) would stop making all my outfits, it's annoying when people ask who made them and I have to say (nobody)

Either that or (nobody) is the best content creator in SL. Maybe she (he?) is the secret leader of the Feted Elite...

Prisoner: Where am I?
Number Two: In The Village.
Prisoner: What do you want?
Number Two: Information.
Prisoner: Which side are you on?
Number Two: That would be telling. We want information, information, information...
Prisoner: You won't get it.
Number Two: By hook or by crook we will.
Prisoner: Who are you?
Number Two: The new Number Two. You are Number Six.
Prisoner: Who is Number One?
Number Two: (nobody)

*brain eXPlodes*

If only this nobody was somebody!

Ming, no idea, sorry.

The "nobody" creator bug has been around for a long time and if sellers don't double-check their items regularly, they might have some of them set to "nobody" as well. There's a difference between being a victim of this bug and openly admitting that the item in question was not created by you. There have also been hacks which cause this to happen. It's hard to tell what happened in this specific scenario.

Did you ask the seller who originally made the avatar? Maybe the creator hasn't realized that their avatar is set to "nobody". Maybe the creator's items have their creator tags or maybe they set the perms correctly and this is a bug.

Kats summed it up.

Look at some of this person's OTHER sale items. Chances are you will find items created by other designers right along with the (nobody) items. If so, contact the original designers and let them know they are being ripped off. We can take it from there and decide if we need to get Linden involvement.

I consider selling (nobody) items to be an unsavory business practice since:

1. They didn't make the item.
2. It usually causes losses for the original designers that worked on it.
3. Most of the time these (nobody) items have all privs set to allow free distribution...meaning you just got sold an item that is functionally free to begin with (wanna buy a Linden Log Cabin?).

Unfortunately it's much more difficult to bring Linden wrath down upon resellers of (nobody) items, but if you RECOGNIZE that a (nobody) item was created by a designer, let that designer know.

Prisoner was cool show. I saw it on dvds and it was ahead of the times back in the 60's. Kind of like second life is now.

Send out the white baloon trackers. (nobody) escapes from the village.

"Newbie_template" or "Nobody" never changes for avatar hair, body shape, skin, and eyes. Sometimes it'll even say "Ryan Linden." I wouldn't say this is a bug because we are essentially just making copies of the original version. If the designer took the time to indicate they made it in the description field, that'd be great.

But clothes are a different thing. We create those then plop our textures down. So when (nobody) shows up as creator on clothes, then that is a bug.

(Nobody) also occurs if say, Person A made an object, but drops a script made by Person B. Instead of listing both people as creators, the object spazzes and spits out (nobody) as creator as well.

^ Zuzu, ah yes, Rover.

I am a big fan of the Prisoner and would like to dress up in such an outfit, complete with penny-farthing, in Second Life. A recreation or even inspiration of Portmeiron would kick serious avatass.

But yes, I check Properties often on items, and if I happen to be wearing something amazing that was made by a (nobody), my mind comes to odds with this.

Related to another topic, Lash, I have considered what you are saying for awhile.

It occurs to me thusly:

-Second Life is about connecting, and also, collaboration -- a good example is Lex and Aes's recent Gates of Second Life project

-people help in the collaborative process that want to, and should be credited

-having a "chain of creators", multiple names who played a part in bringing something new to Second Life, would be a wonderful idea. Better than (body) -- either enlarge the text field or dynamically resize it vertically as appropriate.

"Chain of creators" that's cool.

It'd be nice to see that and/or the history of an object. Like click on properties, blue tab>history. And then you can see something like, this is the skin that Ryan Linden birthed into SL, texturized by Chip Midnight, purchased by Lash, given to Torley, etc. But maybe in a less narrative version. Like a chart with dates and actions done to the item.

He he, I can see myself just poking around junk yards and collecting items that tell a grand story about themselves. That'd be cool. I just wish the creator tags were stable enough to apply that.

^ OMG, that'd make for some great history. ROCK ON.

If only there was a way to create a new shape, hair and/or skin? But that would probably mean we would have to take off the one we are wearing at the moment, and that would be too weird.

Anyway, I just wanted to mention another way that "nobody" could show up as creator when you add a texture to an article of clothing. It can also happen if the person adds the new texture to an old article that already has "nobody" as creator. It's not so much that it happens unexpectedly, it's that the person could be absentmindedly adding the texture to clothing that already has this on their creator tag. It happened to me right after the permission changes, since I hadn't noticed that the clothes had fallen victim to the nobody bug curse. Once I noticed, I was able to fix them by just creating new clothes and adding the textures and then deleting the old pieces.

In this case however, the person admitted that they were selling clothing that they did not create. Maybe asking who the original creator is and then contacting them would clear up the situation.

As far as the clothing part of the (nobody) creator you might try setting the permissions on the clothing texture before actually making the article of clothing. It seems a couple of us did a test with this sometime ago and found that this was a partial cause of the (nobody) creator tag.

So what if the creators name is nobody? You obviously liked his or her creations so stop moaning and enjoy them.

The thread is not specifically about someone who bought clothing from a designer, which now appears as "nobody". It's about how she bought the clothes from someone and this person admitted to not being the creator of the clothes, which raises questions about wether if the fact that "nobody" appears as the creator is simply a bug or an exploit in this case. She's not moaning, she's asking questions before she decides what appropriate measures to take.