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Chage McCoy
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06-08-2004 00:28
I have nothing against casinos, it just that there are so many of them now popping up, and they have very little creativity to them - just chuck in a platform, and toss some el cheapo pokies I ripped a script off for on it.

I realise people see this as an easy way to earn cash, but I mean geez, how many damn casinos do we need?

I think LL should make a policy concerning the number of casinos in SL, or making it part of the building rules on the sims as to whether casinos are allowed or not.

It just gets to me that people are using them to get rich quick schemes.
Catherine Omega
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06-08-2004 01:20
What about clothing stores? There's a lot of those popping up. Events? Maybe there should only be 10 or 12 a day. Don't even get me started on people building houses! :)

The problem is that what you consider to be detrimental to your SL experience (too many casinos) is either completely ignored or welcomed by hundreds of others.

Remember, the point of every casino is to make money. Get-rich-quick schemes aren't inherently bad, either. However, you're absolutely correct in that many games are somewhat... sketchy.

If you want a reputable casino, try WhiteStar or Omega Games. If you want to take your chances with a rigged or possibly broken game, go to the floating pile of badly textured crap.

So I guess my point is that I disagree. The Lindens shouldn't impose zoning laws like that. They've provided us with the tools to do it ourselves. If you want a neighbourhood with no gambling, find some like-minded people and make it happen.
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Chage McCoy
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06-08-2004 01:23
yes, I was dodging the comment about whitestar for the simple fact thats how casinos *should* be done ;)

If every casino was like whitestar I'd have no problems, its just the casinos which dont even try that annoy me ;)

I guess we agree to disagree :)
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06-08-2004 02:07
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If you want a reputable casino, try WhiteStar or Omega Games


Dont forget about Chaos Theory Gaming :-)

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Chage McCoy
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Join date: 23 Apr 2004
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06-08-2004 02:18
heh, I can live with chaos - it was there before I was so I cant really comment :P

I have noticed quite a few people with gambling addiction coming to the free money project where the money tree was, taking alll the cash, and then going and gambling it all.

Doesnt amuse me too greatly, as its not really in the spirit of the money project, but I have done what I can to minimise the damage from that, and cant do anything more, except ban people from land - and thats not going to happen :)

By the same token, I have spent a small amount of money at chaos, and won $3 for every $1 I bet, so it cant be all bad :P
His Grace
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Join date: 23 Apr 2004
Posts: 158
06-08-2004 02:51
From: someone
Originally posted by Catherine Omega
The problem is that what you consider to be detrimental to your SL experience (too many casinos) is either completely ignored or welcomed by hundreds of others.


/rant on

it isn't so much the bazillion casinos, night clubs, stores, and what all that bother me. (though i do wonder how many are needed.)

it's the really ugly S*%T jobs that so many of the "get rich quick" types do.

true, eventually most of the really ugly things disappear. but it's a poke in the eye to look at some of these places.

/rant off
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Talen Morgan
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06-08-2004 03:54
Eventually many of these new casinos will fail because the new owners don't put enough into them or they won't have the recognition the older places do. It works itself out in the end
Azrazael Maracas
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06-08-2004 07:59
talking about Casinos....well yes...there are a lot of very 'ugly' ones out there...as are many other builds too though...

just this whole gambling thing...I live in TX...not from there just stuck there and yeah...just about anything fun is forbidden in TX..I even live in a dry county...no comments please...

but....gambling is a definite no no in TX...as in quite a few other states... I see the problem more on a legal basis....I can't gamble in TX...but I can go into SL and gamble...and get RL money out... is that like going to Louisiana and gambling there?..no, not really...since I can't bet on horses outside of TX either..at least not while in TX...

just something to think about....
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06-08-2004 08:35
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Originally posted by Catherine Omega
What about clothing stores? There's a lot of those popping up. Events? Maybe there should only be 10 or 12 a day. Don't even get me started on people building houses! :)


Don't get me started on people building cabins-in-a-box and putting the Linden bed and red rug in em. It's a way to learn building, but please, furnish them better or remodel.

I don't have anthing against the major casinos. But there used to be a huge one in Aqua (not so well furnished I might add) that I was glad when it left. I do think that the bad casinos will eventually die. I mean, would you want to gamble in a plywood shack? :)
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Catherine Omega
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06-08-2004 08:39
From: someone
Originally posted by Azrazael Maracas
just this whole gambling thing...I live in TX...not from there just stuck there and yeah...just about anything fun is forbidden in TX..I even live in a dry county...no comments please...


I'm sorry, I'm commenting. I'm too surprised not to. "Dry county" -- this means no alcohol? I wasn't aware that any Western countries maintained a prohibition on alcohol. Is that even legal within the US?

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but....gambling is a definite no no in TX...as in quite a few other states... I see the problem more on a legal basis....I can't gamble in TX...but I can go into SL and gamble...and get RL money out... is that like going to Louisiana and gambling there?..no, not really...since I can't bet on horses outside of TX either..at least not while in TX...


As a rule, when it comes to legal issues, if it's illegal for you to be doing it in your own legal jurisdiction, you can't do it over the internet from that jurisdiction. However, since Linden Lab assigns no monetary value to the Linden dollar, it's not a legal currency. That others attribute value to it is secondary to the fact that the Lindens do not view it as legal tender. It's play money.

Of course, being that I have just learned --and am still astonished by the fact-- that some parts of the US apparently have similar laws on the books regarding alcohol as say, Saudi Arabia does, I think it's safe to say that any and all legal advice I offer should probably be taken with a grain of salt. :)

A lawyer would no doubt be able to tell you if the legal definition of "gambling" in Texas is "risking money in a game or contest", "risking something of value in a game or contest", or simply "gambling", either with court rulings in favour of one definition or the other, or no legal precedent having yet been set.

If you're wanting to gamble in SL, you might want to check it out. You guys have some pretty wacky laws these days, and you don't want the state to be able to invoke some DMCA or Patriot Act crap and give you the chair or something. :)
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Reitsuki Kojima
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06-08-2004 08:54
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Originally posted by Catherine Omega
I'm sorry, I'm commenting. I'm too surprised not to. "Dry county" -- this means no alcohol? I wasn't aware that any Western countries maintained a prohibition on alcohol. Is that even legal within the US?


Perfectly. On a county-by-county or state-by-state level, its absolutely legal.

It's not just texas. A lot of states have counties that are either "dry" or have their own interperatations on when you can buy alchohol... Some of them, never on sundays, some of them, on sundays but only after noon, etc.
Androclese Torgeson
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06-08-2004 09:43
From: someone
Originally posted by Azrazael Maracas
<<snip>>
...gambling is a definite no no in TX...as in quite a few other states... I see the problem more on a legal basis....I can't gamble in TX
<<snip>>


(minor hijack)

Wait a minute here, you can wear side-arms in plain view and you have drive up liquor stores, but you can't gamble?!

*blink*
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Jonquille Noir
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06-08-2004 10:07
Disclaimer
People can and should be able to build virtually anything they want in Second Life. That's one of the main draws for me, and what makes the environment so creative and diverse.

Gambling
That said, there's no accounting for tastes. Someone wants a quick buck without having to do any real work, they grab some slots and stick them in a half-ass textured cube. Insta-Casino. It's ugly, but it doesn't bother me, because I have choices. I'll choose where to gamble my money, if I feel so inclined. I'll go to Whitestar Casino because the build is beutiful. I'll go to Chaos Gaming because the games are cool and they pay out pretty well, and there's usually some cool people there. I won't gamble or waste my time in Ye Olde Plywood Saloon because the owner is obviously out to make a quick buck without really contributing anything I see as valuable to SL. (And yes, each person has to decide for themselves what is valuable to SL. If you're fond of plywood, your mileage may vary.)

Liquor
The first time I learned there were dry states/counties was when I learned that the county in Tennessee that produces Jack Daniels, and has for a long time, was a dry county. And I wondered... How do they know if it's any good if they can't drink it? (That might explain the taste, come to think of it.) That's like having a virgin teach Human Sexualty. Sure, you know what you're doing in theory, but...
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Madiera Westerburg
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06-08-2004 10:31
Im going to chime in and say Jason Foo has put a lot of work into making some really interesting games for everyone down at Realm Development Casino.....which is why we are closing today till Friday---I hope you all can come down on friday and see what he has got up his sleeve!
Oneironaut Escher
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06-08-2004 10:35
The county I live in has been a dry county. That is until very recently when it was discovered that our climate and soil are perfect for producing outstanding wine grapes. So, now it's legal to sell wine in my county.

Mind you, just wine.

So, I guess we're now a damp county.

It has cut down on the drunk driving as people no longer need to go to the next county over to get alcohol, which was about the only result of it having been a dry county before.

Oh, and yeah, there's less litter on the sides of the road as people aren't throwing out their empties as they drive back from another county.

I guess now, we might become famous for winos.

Aren't our laws great? They encourage consumption of a fairly addictive, hugely health damaging, violence, stupidity causing substance over the consumption of something that causes people to feel happy, healthy and generally enlightened.

I think we're labelling the wrong people as criminals.

**looks at the current crop of idiots in government positions**

How long is it gonna take the politicians to catch up with what even the stupidest of citizens already knows?

Wow, I can turn anything into a legalisation rant. I truly am a hippie :D


Oh, about the subject at hand. You've been able to gamble on the internet almost since its inception, even if you're in a state that doesn't allow gambling within it. Some states have inacted laws against internet gambling, but there really just for show. "We're conservative and we want everyone to know it". Not much way to police those kinds of laws.
eltee Statosky
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Join date: 23 Sep 2003
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don't even get me started on sl 'casino games'
06-08-2004 11:44
some i trust

they are *NOT* in the majority

for the rest...

i know cienna had a 'ding and then you don't get any money' box

thats prolly the most honest casino game i've ever seen in my life RL or SL
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Kasandra Morgan
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Join date: 17 Mar 2004
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06-08-2004 11:57
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i know cienna had a 'ding and then you don't get any money' box


I fed that thing 20 bucks just because it was so funny.

Yes, there is now a slot machine on every corner, but until now it used to be way harder to get a slot machine. Eventually, all these new casino owners will realize that we were never making 20k a day like it may have seemed. Then they will give up everything will be back to normal except the new hot issue, whatever that may be.
Cienna Rand
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06-08-2004 12:00
I made more from that box than I ever did on voting booths.

I should set it up again.
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Azrazael Maracas
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06-08-2004 12:22
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you can wear side-arms in plain view and you have drive up liquor stores


no drive up liquor stores in this county....plenty of guns though
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