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Bam Perkins

Registered User

Join date: 9 Dec 2003

Posts: 83

01-05-2004 16:09

I recently tried to resell something that i had gotten from someont else. He said i could resell it but it turned out to be from someone eles. I would just like to say to all the parties invlved that i am sorry.

Davo Greenstein

Dag from Oz

Join date: 22 Dec 2003

Posts: 150

01-05-2004 17:19

I have an inventory full of gifts.

Some were given out of the joy of giving...

Some were given to teach me how to do things

Some were given simply because i needed them.

Dont feel sorry if you decide to sell something given you.

Buyer beware...... If you want to buy something here... Ask around and youll find people who will give it you free... or who will enjoy the challenge to reproduce something....

Not everyone cares about ownership but more about the friendships made by sharing the SL experience.

Those who want to retain ownership have tools available now to restrict the use of their items.

Every here is built from Prims - Objects and scripts ( code is there)

I think people shoud get paid for there time, effort and textures uploaded but once it is out anyone can recreate items with similar or different Prims and techniques.

I saw a Globe of the Earth, I built one with My own style...should I pay copyright fees to someone.

I wouldn't feel sorry unless you deliberately set out to profit from someoneelses work....

Misnomer Jones

3 is the magic number

Join date: 27 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,800

01-05-2004 17:28

From: someone

Dont feel sorry if you decide to sell something given you.

From: someone

I wouldn't feel sorry unless you deliberately set out to profit from someoneelses work.

Isnt selling something that was a freebie profiting from someone elses work?

If I saw stuff for sale at a shop that I knew was free I would not buy anything there and I would advise everyone I knew not to buy there either. Its a ripoff of the creator and a ripoff of the people you are selling to. A great way to get a bad rep fast.

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kohne Kato

Woo. Yay.

Join date: 4 May 2003

Posts: 109

01-05-2004 19:59

From: someone

Originally posted by Bam Perkins
I recently tried to resell something that i had gotten from someont else. He said i could resell it but it turned out to be from someone eles. I would just like to say to all the parties invlved that i am sorry.

Yeah, as a general rule, it's bad form to sell anything you didn't originally create or at least contribute to unless you have talked to the original creator and gotten explicit permission.

You know the Avatar Fuego? It's a free attachment that I gave out, and no biggie. But if I saw someone charging for it, I'd totally flip out like a ninja. Just because a creator decides to give something out for free doesn't mean that she's given up her rights on her intellectual property.

I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, and in virtual space, some of these little rules can get confusing. But just in case anyone's reading, do try to be extra courteous about others' intellectual property! If SL turns into the kind of world where people generally disregard these courtesies, I think it will hurt us all. ^_-

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Darwin Appleby

I Was Beaten With Satan

Join date: 14 Mar 2003

Posts: 2,779

01-05-2004 20:20

From: someone

Originally posted by WWIIOLFalconBK Hanks
thats to much to read

If you have something like that to say, don't say it.

And about the actual topic. Bam: It's ok, but always always ALWAYS ask the buyer before you do that. For me, it probably wouldn't be a big deal. BUT, that doesn't mean that everyone in SL would think that. It's a learning experience, Bam, no perminent harm done.

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Touche.

Misnomer Jones

3 is the magic number

Join date: 27 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,800

01-05-2004 20:27

P.S.

Bam,
thats good form to step up and admit a mistake and try to make good. Bravo.

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Shadow Weaver

Ancient

Join date: 13 Jan 2003

Posts: 2,808

01-06-2004 06:40

We all make mistakes Bam trust me I have made my share both in and out of game so dont beat yourself up over it.

and Like MJ said "Bravo" for stepping forward and taking responcibility for your actions its so good to see Honor and Charature still in the world.

Shadow

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Davo Greenstein

Dag from Oz

Join date: 22 Dec 2003

Posts: 150

01-08-2004 20:05

Misnomer ...

I agree dont take for free and sell as is...

My point was more that creations in SL feed of each other.

I am given something I like it ...i change it...tweak it ...add to it...

In this process the original creator of what is now just another component gets lost...

That's why we lock what we want to control.

and you are right sell what you have been given and you get a bad rap.

I have already been offered (to buy) items that I later found were part of the original giftbag :
Prince Charming
Groupie Chick
furniture
Because I was a noob i almost got caught...

I bought wings...paid for an AV

Just to find the same things available from others for no cost.

That's why I repeat BUYER BEWARE !

Last point - BAM you were deceived..when you found out the truth you fixed things....

I think you're one of the white hats !!

Kex Godel

Master Slacker

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 869

01-09-2004 08:46

Someone should post a list of objects that come with the newbie account so that newbies can come and see what they can get for free.

Or better yet, maybe set up a place that looks like a store where all the newbie products are on display (or pictures of them on boxes) and they are free to copy.

Catherine Cotton

Tis Elfin

Join date: 2 Apr 2003

Posts: 3,001

01-10-2004 01:29

Kex, is builders outlook still around, a kind of impromtu flea market? If not I would be glad to do that in my flea market in taber.

Catherine Cotton

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Devlin Gallant

Thought Police

Join date: 18 Jun 2003

Posts: 5,948

01-10-2004 01:32

Builder's Outlook is no more.

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Bam Perkins Registered User Join date: 9 Dec 2003 Posts: 83	01-05-2004 16:09 I recently tried to resell something that i had gotten from someont else. He said i could resell it but it turned out to be from someone eles. I would just like to say to all the parties invlved that i am sorry.
Davo Greenstein Dag from Oz Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 150	01-05-2004 17:19 I have an inventory full of gifts. Some were given out of the joy of giving... Some were given to teach me how to do things Some were given simply because i needed them. Dont feel sorry if you decide to sell something given you. Buyer beware...... If you want to buy something here... Ask around and youll find people who will give it you free... or who will enjoy the challenge to reproduce something.... Not everyone cares about ownership but more about the friendships made by sharing the SL experience. Those who want to retain ownership have tools available now to restrict the use of their items. Every here is built from Prims - Objects and scripts ( code is there) I think people shoud get paid for there time, effort and textures uploaded but once it is out anyone can recreate items with similar or different Prims and techniques. I saw a Globe of the Earth, I built one with My own style...should I pay copyright fees to someone. I wouldn't feel sorry unless you deliberately set out to profit from someoneelses work....
Misnomer Jones 3 is the magic number Join date: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,800	01-05-2004 17:28 From: someone Dont feel sorry if you decide to sell something given you. From: someone I wouldn't feel sorry unless you deliberately set out to profit from someoneelses work. Isnt selling something that was a freebie profiting from someone elses work? If I saw stuff for sale at a shop that I knew was free I would not buy anything there and I would advise everyone I knew not to buy there either. Its a ripoff of the creator and a ripoff of the people you are selling to. A great way to get a bad rep fast. _____________________
kohne Kato Woo. Yay. Join date: 4 May 2003 Posts: 109	01-05-2004 19:59 From: someone Originally posted by Bam Perkins I recently tried to resell something that i had gotten from someont else. He said i could resell it but it turned out to be from someone eles. I would just like to say to all the parties invlved that i am sorry. Yeah, as a general rule, it's bad form to sell anything you didn't originally create or at least contribute to unless you have talked to the original creator and gotten explicit permission. You know the Avatar Fuego? It's a free attachment that I gave out, and no biggie. But if I saw someone charging for it, I'd totally flip out like a ninja. Just because a creator decides to give something out for free doesn't mean that she's given up her rights on her intellectual property. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it, and in virtual space, some of these little rules can get confusing. But just in case anyone's reading, do try to be extra courteous about others' intellectual property! If SL turns into the kind of world where people generally disregard these courtesies, I think it will hurt us all. ^_- _____________________ May your prims not flash or sparkle, might your heaps stack without collision, let your inventory be clutter-free, and high fps be with you. - An SL blessing ^_^
Darwin Appleby I Was Beaten With Satan Join date: 14 Mar 2003 Posts: 2,779	01-05-2004 20:20 From: someone Originally posted by WWIIOLFalconBK Hanks thats to much to read If you have something like that to say, don't say it. And about the actual topic. Bam: It's ok, but always always ALWAYS ask the buyer before you do that. For me, it probably wouldn't be a big deal. BUT, that doesn't mean that everyone in SL would think that. It's a learning experience, Bam, no perminent harm done. _____________________ Touche.
Misnomer Jones 3 is the magic number Join date: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,800	01-05-2004 20:27 P.S. Bam, thats good form to step up and admit a mistake and try to make good. Bravo. _____________________
Shadow Weaver Ancient Join date: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 2,808	01-06-2004 06:40 We all make mistakes Bam trust me I have made my share both in and out of game so dont beat yourself up over it. and Like MJ said "Bravo" for stepping forward and taking responcibility for your actions its so good to see Honor and Charature still in the world. Shadow _____________________ Everyone here is an adult. This ain't DisneyLand, and Mickey Mouse isn't going to swat you with a stick if you say "holy crapola."<Pathfinder Linden> New Worlds new Adventures Formerly known as Jade Wolf my business name has now changed to Dragon Shadow. Im me in world for Locations of my apparrel Online Authorized Trademark Licensed Apparel http://www.cafepress.com/slvisions OR Visit The Website @ www.slvisions.com
Davo Greenstein Dag from Oz Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 150	01-08-2004 20:05 Misnomer ... I agree dont take for free and sell as is... My point was more that creations in SL feed of each other. I am given something I like it ...i change it...tweak it ...add to it... In this process the original creator of what is now just another component gets lost... That's why we lock what we want to control. and you are right sell what you have been given and you get a bad rap. I have already been offered (to buy) items that I later found were part of the original giftbag : Prince Charming Groupie Chick furniture Because I was a noob i almost got caught... I bought wings...paid for an AV Just to find the same things available from others for no cost. That's why I repeat BUYER BEWARE ! Last point - BAM you were deceived..when you found out the truth you fixed things.... I think you're one of the white hats !!
Kex Godel Master Slacker Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 869	01-09-2004 08:46 Someone should post a list of objects that come with the newbie account so that newbies can come and see what they can get for free. Or better yet, maybe set up a place that looks like a store where all the newbie products are on display (or pictures of them on boxes) and they are free to copy.
Catherine Cotton Tis Elfin Join date: 2 Apr 2003 Posts: 3,001	01-10-2004 01:29 Kex, is builders outlook still around, a kind of impromtu flea market? If not I would be glad to do that in my flea market in taber. Catherine Cotton _____________________
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	01-10-2004 01:32 Builder's Outlook is no more. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.