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Thinking about buying more land....

Sylfie Minogue
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09-27-2005 13:06
Currently, i'm thinking about buying more land for the extra prims; but i'm holding back because i dont quite get the land tier system and at what tier is considered economical or an average median for a "relatively new" content creator who owns her own 1024m lot.

I love my current location; good view, good neighbours, small single residental/corner shops, etc. But there is no more room in the sim i live in to expand as far as i can tell.

So i'm wondering what size of land would be considered acceptable before saying "Ouchies" :confused:
Rimble Rampal
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09-27-2005 13:14
If you want land for extra prims in your current store, it has to be in the same sim. I made that mistake when I was brand new! You can always ask neighbors that have empty land if they would be willing to sell to you. I know I sold some land that wasn't for sale just because I was ok with it going to a neighbor.
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BJSmooth White
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09-27-2005 13:16
Well, depends on how much you can afford a month before you say "ouch".

But seriously look here and decide.
https://secondlife.com/account/landfees.php

The 4096 sqm is a good start for 25.00 US dollars a month. You could quadruple your land size. Hope this helps
Travis Lambert
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09-27-2005 13:18
Well - a couple suggestions for you Sylfie....

1. I tell people to get in the habit of building low-prim right from the get go. Its possible to build a decent house under 60 prims, then have another 57 left over for decorating & other random stuff. That will all fit on your basic 512m parcel.

2. Ask yourself what your realistic budget is for SL. Once you figure out what that magic number is, find a tier level that matches that - then find a plot.

3. Remember that the surroundings around you change quickly in SL. You may love your location now - but in 2 months, it could be a completely different animal. Especially if you own just a small plot. The only way to control your view in SL is to own it. So - if you're concerned about moving, don't be.

4. Lastly, Prim counts are tied directly to the parcel size. 512m = 117 prims, 1024 = 234 prims, and so on & so on. Its best just to work within your budget... because as you start building, you'll find that a certain # of prims is never enough. (See suggestion #1).

Hope this helps! :)
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Rimble Rampal
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09-27-2005 13:27
Didn't see the poll before. Yep, I'm in the $40 a month range. And I held it from January until last month with nothing even built on it. I'm a land horder :)

If I ever come back into the game (can't tear away from EQ2) I might even buy more land. More more more! *cackle*
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Eboni Khan
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09-27-2005 13:30
If you are going to make a store, consider what you are selling. When I first started selling jewlery 512 was fine. When I first started selling furniture, I needed more 2048 just to barely cut it. So please consider the prim counts of items you may display, along with Vendors etc.
Sylfie Minogue
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09-27-2005 13:35
I have a nice house (40 prims) that i live in and currently i have about 70 free prims to use for creating content and very little else left to make furniture with *sigh* which is why i think i need more land. :(
Jesrad Seraph
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09-27-2005 13:35
Happy with 4096 sqm :)
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Sylfie Minogue
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09-27-2005 13:45
From: Eboni Khan
If you are going to make a store, consider what you are selling. When I first started selling jewlery 512 was fine. When I first started selling furniture, I needed more 2048 just to barely cut it. So please consider the prim counts of items you may display, along with Vendors etc.


I am thinking about using the extra prims for either some: home furniture/content creation/small neighbourhood shop/small neighbourhood sandbox type of thing. :)

Everything i sell will be in boxes, i hope!
JackBurton Faulkland
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09-27-2005 13:52
Well if you are concerned about the cost and desperatly need the extra prims you could try creating a group(at least three people needed). Then you can donate the land to the group and link the land. The only problem is that you need to find a people that you trust or they can stab you in the back.
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09-27-2005 13:55
From: Travis Lambert
Well - a couple suggestions for you Sylfie....

3. Remember that the surroundings around you change quickly in SL. You may love your location now - but in 2 months, it could be a completely different animal. Especially if you own just a small plot. The only way to control your view in SL is to own it. So - if you're concerned about moving, don't be.


This was a big surprise to me when I bought land and all sorts of unsightly things started springing up around me. :D
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09-27-2005 13:59
From: Travis Lambert
Well - a couple suggestions for you Sylfie....

1. I tell people to get in the habit of building low-prim right from the get go. Its possible to build a decent house under 60 prims, then have another 57 left over for decorating & other random stuff. That will all fit on your basic 512m parcel.

2. Ask yourself what your realistic budget is for SL. Once you figure out what that magic number is, find a tier level that matches that - then find a plot.

3. Remember that the surroundings around you change quickly in SL. You may love your location now - but in 2 months, it could be a completely different animal. Especially if you own just a small plot. The only way to control your view in SL is to own it. So - if you're concerned about moving, don't be.

4. Lastly, Prim counts are tied directly to the parcel size. 512m = 117 prims, 1024 = 234 prims, and so on & so on. Its best just to work within your budget... because as you start building, you'll find that a certain # of prims is never enough. (See suggestion #1).

Hope this helps! :)


This is really, really good advice Sylfie. I seem to always be maxed out on my prims no matter how much land I have.

IM me inworld I have a couple of other suggestions - I should be in tonight if you are.
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Fushichou Mfume
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09-27-2005 14:05
If you need a fair number of prims, then the $40 tier is the sweet spot for best value. 2x8=16, so the $15 tier is no great savings at all... 2x15=30, so the $25 tier is only a $5 savings... 2x25=50, so the $40 tier is a $10 savings... 2x40=80, so the $75 tier is a $5 savings... etc.

As you can see, that $10 discount for the $40 tier makes it the best $-per-prim value.

If roughly 1000 prims to play with still isn't enough, then both the $125 and $195 tiers are good values. The $75 tier makes no sense to me whatsoever... at that step in the tier structure, you should be getting a better discount than the $40 tier, not a worse one...

It's also *very* important to note that all your plots that you buy *must* have adjacent borders so that you can "JOIN" the plots together. otherwise you cannot consolidate your total prims for use anywhere on your owned land. If you buy four different 1024 plots that are not adjacent to each other, for example, you cannot merge them together and you'll be stuck with roughly 450 prims available for use on each separate plot.
Alexa Hope
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09-27-2005 14:13
The other alternative is to rent. No upfront cost of the land or tier but a monthly payment to the land owner. I am on one of Hiro Queso's island sims and love it.

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Sylfie Minogue
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09-27-2005 14:50
From: Fushichou Mfume
If you need a fair number of prims, then the $40 tier is the sweet spot for best value. 2x8=16, so the $15 tier is no great savings at all... 2x15=30, so the $25 tier is only a $5 savings... 2x25=50, so the $40 tier is a $10 savings... 2x40=80, so the $75 tier is a $5 savings... etc.

As you can see, that $10 discount for the $40 tier makes it the best $-per-prim value.

If roughly 1000 prims to play with still isn't enough, then both the $125 and $195 tiers are good values. The $75 tier makes no sense to me whatsoever... at that step in the tier structure, you should be getting a better discount than the $40 tier, not a worse one...

It's also *very* important to note that all your plots that you buy *must* have adjacent borders so that you can "JOIN" the plots together. otherwise you cannot consolidate your total prims for use anywhere on your owned land. If you buy four different 1024 plots that are not adjacent to each other, for example, you cannot merge them together and you'll be stuck with roughly 450 prims available for use on each separate plot.


That is something i wondered about as well, i was given the opinion that as long as i have the parcels within the same sim that i could use all the prims; which is in a way a half truth i guess, i might have to look for a new land to live and expand on. :(
Margaret Mfume
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09-27-2005 15:02
From: Sylfie Minogue
That is something i wondered about as well, i was given the opinion that as long as i have the parcels within the same sim that i could use all the prims; which is in a way a half truth i guess, i might have to look for a new land to live and expand on. :(

This is true for group owned land which also provides you with an extra 10% available without going to the next tier level.
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09-27-2005 16:51
From: Fushichou Mfume
It's also *very* important to note that all your plots that you buy *must* have adjacent borders so that you can "JOIN" the plots together. otherwise you cannot consolidate your total prims for use anywhere on your owned land. If you buy four different 1024 plots that are not adjacent to each other, for example, you cannot merge them together and you'll be stuck with roughly 450 prims available for use on each separate plot.
This is NOT correct. All the plots must be in the same sim, but they do not need to have adjacent borders. You may own one 512sqm. plot in the SW corner of a sim, and a second 512sqm. plot in the NE corner of the sim (as far apart as they can be within the same sim) and your prim total for use in that sim will be 234. You'll be able to use all 234 on one of those 512sqm. plots if that's what you wish.

Also, parcels do not need to have adjacent borders in order to be joined as one parcel. I've seen plenty of odd-shaped parcels with a little satellite areas of land which belong to the larger parcel, despite not having adjacent borders.
Bertha Horton
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09-27-2005 18:44
I've been at the 5 plot tier, but am thinking of going to 9 plots if I could find a decent place. But that's a $10/month jump... at this point I'd have to sacrifice something in RL... but eh, why not?
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09-28-2005 00:10
From: DoteDote Edison
This is NOT correct. All the plots must be in the same sim, but they do not need to have adjacent borders. You may own one 512sqm. plot in the SW corner of a sim, and a second 512sqm. plot in the NE corner of the sim (as far apart as they can be within the same sim) and your prim total for use in that sim will be 234. You'll be able to use all 234 on one of those 512sqm. plots if that's what you wish.

Also, parcels do not need to have adjacent borders in order to be joined as one parcel. I've seen plenty of odd-shaped parcels with a little satellite areas of land which belong to the larger parcel, despite not having adjacent borders.


DoteDote is correct. As long as all your parcels are in the same Sim, you can total the prims together and use them all on just one parcel, leaving the others empty.

I have personally joined together parcels that were separated by almost 200m of land (in Orwood) to create a single parcel, just for simplifying land management. As long as your draw distance is big enough for you to get a good eagle's eye view of the Sim, you can drag the land select box from one parcel to the other, and Join. The land in between that you don't own will be ignored by the process.

Come to my next Land Ownership 101 class to learn more! ;)
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