Second Life Forums Archive - 350 prims dropped on your land by accident ?

Totally Barmy

Proud Apoligist

Join date: 24 Aug 2004

Posts: 46

01-27-2005 09:19

Say for example some person comes to your land wearing a 102+ prim hairpiece and a pair of these new 122 prim per foot shoes, you politely ask the person to remove them or leave due the incredible slow down on your client, and that person "accidentally" drops these things. Would you lose half your build due to excess prims on the land or would the land simply return them to the owner ?

Foxy Xevious

Bedazzle Team

Join date: 29 May 2004

Posts: 123

01-27-2005 09:26

Hey Totally,

You may want to link everything on your land to your group and then set auto return on. That way if something is drop by accident. It will be sent back to the owner in the amount of time you specify. If auto return is off, then it will stay on your sim.

I have auto return on my sims every minute.

Laukosargas Svarog

Angel ?

Join date: 18 Aug 2004

Posts: 1,304

01-27-2005 09:38

From: someone

you politely ask the person to remove them or leave due the incredible slow down on your client

LOL, I'm not sure I'd be polite !

Foxy, are you saying that other peoples prims are not added to your lands prim count if auto return is on ? I have a fairly long timeout on my land, 2 hours, I really don't mind folks rezzing the odd prim or two to make their stay happier, but this could be a disastrous scenario!

Foxy Xevious

Bedazzle Team

Join date: 29 May 2004

Posts: 123

01-27-2005 10:06

No, I'm saying if I come to see you with my 200 prim hoochie mamma hairstyle. You ask me to take it off, and I "accidentally" drop my hoochie mamma hair extensions somewhere on your land. Those 200 prims of beauty (LMAO) will be taking 200 prims of your land till you find it or until auto return sends it back. Or you can always send objects own by others back under about land, but if you have someone who builds for you, then you would not be able to do that unless objects are link to group. otherwise you will send everything back

Coreina Grace

never posts

Join date: 14 Feb 2004

Posts: 63

01-27-2005 10:18

I think the question here is ... if the hoochie hair puts the person over the lands prim limit, what gets returned, the hoochie hair, or the poor lad's house, etc?

How does it decide what to return when you go over your prim limit, basically. Is it smart enough to return the last thing dropped.

forgive me if I am misinterpreting the question.

Siobhan Taylor

Nemesis

Join date: 13 Aug 2003

Posts: 5,476

01-27-2005 10:20

on recent evidence, it'll return the house and contents first

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Ghoti Nyak

καλλιστι

Join date: 7 Aug 2004

Posts: 2,078

01-27-2005 10:30

Yeah, its stupid and bass-ackwards. It happened to me recently. Someone griefed my place and instead of their griefer objects getting returned, it was group stuff that was returned. At the time, I did not have auto-return on.

-Ghoti

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Cristiano Midnight

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Join date: 17 May 2003

Posts: 8,616

01-27-2005 10:32

I still have not seen any public comment on this strange ability to be able to push land over its prim limits. I remember Robin posting something recently about looking into it - was there a follow up post?

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Moleculor Satyr

Fireflies!

Join date: 5 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,650

01-27-2005 10:38

From: Totally Barmy

Say for example some person comes to your land wearing a 102+ prim hairpiece and a pair of these new 122 prim per foot shoes, you politely ask the person to remove them or leave due the incredible slow down on your client, and that person "accidentally" drops these things. Would you lose half your build due to excess prims on the land or would the land simply return them to the owner ?

There has been a bug crop up now and again every since 1.3 that causes things to be returned in the wrong order.

The answer to your question is "we don't know", because the bug has yet to be declared officially "killed".

Technically, the random person's crap is supposed to get returned first, and any other random person's crap, THEN any group objects, THEN any of your owned objects.

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April Firefly

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Join date: 3 Aug 2004

Posts: 1,253

01-27-2005 12:46

Bug withstanding, I am very concerned about people dropping prims, particualarly prims with scripts that could cause lag, onto where I currently rent. It's a private sim, but with the exeption of my lot and one or two others, create objects is turned on and return is set to 0. Lately I've been noticing a lot of lag and the Sim's fps fluctuates from 250 to 435 with just me on it. Could someone be dropping stuff onto the lots that is running something to cause this.

I've been trying to talk to my landlord about setting everyone's lot to autoreturn but some of his other tenants do not understand the concept of having to activate the group prior to setting out stuff. So their stuff was being returned. While I've had stuff returned when forgetting to activate the group, it just takes a few times for this to happen before you start doing it from force of habit. I don't think the solution is to turn off autoreturn

Am I being paranoid about this? Or am I being proactive?

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Ghoti Nyak

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01-27-2005 13:08

From: someone

I still have not seen any public comment on this strange ability to be able to push land over its prim limits. I remember Robin posting something recently about looking into it - was there a follow up post?

None that I have seen... and I've been watching. (if I somehow missed it, please point it out).

-Ghoti

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Eanya Dalek

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Join date: 1 Oct 2004

Posts: 231

01-27-2005 18:04

01-25-2005, 12:44 AM #47
Robin Linden
Linden Lifer

Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 335 We've got one of the developers assigned to this problem. He's going to take a look and see what we can do to in any or all of the following ways:

- give you the tools you need to make sure people can't drop junk on your land,
- or make it easier to clean up without losing your own objects,
- or fix any bugs that are allowing this type of griefing.
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This was all I could find on that so far.

Ghoti Nyak

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01-27-2005 18:58

awesome! Let's hope for fast results!

-Ghoti

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Totally Barmy

Proud Apoligist

Join date: 24 Aug 2004

Posts: 46

01-27-2005 20:33

From: Eanya Dalek

01-25-2005, 12:44 AM #47
- give you the tools you need to make sure people can't drop junk on your land,
- or make it easier to clean up without losing your own objects,
- or fix any bugs that are allowing this type of griefing.
...
This was all I could find on that so far.

most excellent news, lets hope this happens soon !

350 prims dropped on your land by accident ?
Totally Barmy Proud Apoligist Join date: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 46	01-27-2005 09:19 Say for example some person comes to your land wearing a 102+ prim hairpiece and a pair of these new 122 prim per foot shoes, you politely ask the person to remove them or leave due the incredible slow down on your client, and that person "accidentally" drops these things. Would you lose half your build due to excess prims on the land or would the land simply return them to the owner ?
Foxy Xevious Bedazzle Team Join date: 29 May 2004 Posts: 123	01-27-2005 09:26 Hey Totally, You may want to link everything on your land to your group and then set auto return on. That way if something is drop by accident. It will be sent back to the owner in the amount of time you specify. If auto return is off, then it will stay on your sim. I have auto return on my sims every minute.
Laukosargas Svarog Angel ? Join date: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 1,304	01-27-2005 09:38 From: someone you politely ask the person to remove them or leave due the incredible slow down on your client LOL, I'm not sure I'd be polite ! Foxy, are you saying that other peoples prims are not added to your lands prim count if auto return is on ? I have a fairly long timeout on my land, 2 hours, I really don't mind folks rezzing the odd prim or two to make their stay happier, but this could be a disastrous scenario!
Foxy Xevious Bedazzle Team Join date: 29 May 2004 Posts: 123	01-27-2005 10:06 No, I'm saying if I come to see you with my 200 prim hoochie mamma hairstyle. You ask me to take it off, and I "accidentally" drop my hoochie mamma hair extensions somewhere on your land. Those 200 prims of beauty (LMAO) will be taking 200 prims of your land till you find it or until auto return sends it back. Or you can always send objects own by others back under about land, but if you have someone who builds for you, then you would not be able to do that unless objects are link to group. otherwise you will send everything back
Coreina Grace never posts Join date: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 63	01-27-2005 10:18 I think the question here is ... if the hoochie hair puts the person over the lands prim limit, what gets returned, the hoochie hair, or the poor lad's house, etc? How does it decide what to return when you go over your prim limit, basically. Is it smart enough to return the last thing dropped. forgive me if I am misinterpreting the question.
Siobhan Taylor Nemesis Join date: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 5,476	01-27-2005 10:20 on recent evidence, it'll return the house and contents first _____________________ http://siobhantaylor.wordpress.com/
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	01-27-2005 10:30 Yeah, its stupid and bass-ackwards. It happened to me recently. Someone griefed my place and instead of their griefer objects getting returned, it was group stuff that was returned. At the time, I did not have auto-return on. -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	01-27-2005 10:32 I still have not seen any public comment on this strange ability to be able to push land over its prim limits. I remember Robin posting something recently about looking into it - was there a follow up post? _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Moleculor Satyr Fireflies! Join date: 5 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,650	01-27-2005 10:38 From: Totally Barmy Say for example some person comes to your land wearing a 102+ prim hairpiece and a pair of these new 122 prim per foot shoes, you politely ask the person to remove them or leave due the incredible slow down on your client, and that person "accidentally" drops these things. Would you lose half your build due to excess prims on the land or would the land simply return them to the owner ? There has been a bug crop up now and again every since 1.3 that causes things to be returned in the wrong order. The answer to your question is "we don't know", because the bug has yet to be declared officially "killed". Technically, the random person's crap is supposed to get returned first, and any other random person's crap, THEN any group objects, THEN any of your owned objects. _____________________ </sarcasm>
April Firefly Idiosyncratic Poster Join date: 3 Aug 2004 Posts: 1,253	01-27-2005 12:46 Bug withstanding, I am very concerned about people dropping prims, particualarly prims with scripts that could cause lag, onto where I currently rent. It's a private sim, but with the exeption of my lot and one or two others, create objects is turned on and return is set to 0. Lately I've been noticing a lot of lag and the Sim's fps fluctuates from 250 to 435 with just me on it. Could someone be dropping stuff onto the lots that is running something to cause this. I've been trying to talk to my landlord about setting everyone's lot to autoreturn but some of his other tenants do not understand the concept of having to activate the group prior to setting out stuff. So their stuff was being returned. While I've had stuff returned when forgetting to activate the group, it just takes a few times for this to happen before you start doing it from force of habit. I don't think the solution is to turn off autoreturn Am I being paranoid about this? Or am I being proactive? _____________________ From: Billybob Goodliffe the truth is overrated From: Argent Stonecutter The most successful software company in the world does a piss-poor job on all these points. Particularly the first three. Why do you expect Linden Labs to do any better? Yes, it's true, I have a blog now!
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	01-27-2005 13:08 From: someone I still have not seen any public comment on this strange ability to be able to push land over its prim limits. I remember Robin posting something recently about looking into it - was there a follow up post? None that I have seen... and I've been watching. (if I somehow missed it, please point it out). -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Eanya Dalek Registered User Join date: 1 Oct 2004 Posts: 231	01-27-2005 18:04 01-25-2005, 12:44 AM #47 Robin Linden Linden Lifer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 335 We've got one of the developers assigned to this problem. He's going to take a look and see what we can do to in any or all of the following ways: - give you the tools you need to make sure people can't drop junk on your land, - or make it easier to clean up without losing your own objects, - or fix any bugs that are allowing this type of griefing. __________________ What is essential is invisible to the eye. -- Antoine de Saint Exupéry This was all I could find on that so far.
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	01-27-2005 18:58 awesome! Let's hope for fast results! -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Totally Barmy Proud Apoligist Join date: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 46	01-27-2005 20:33 From: Eanya Dalek 01-25-2005, 12:44 AM #47 - give you the tools you need to make sure people can't drop junk on your land, - or make it easier to clean up without losing your own objects, - or fix any bugs that are allowing this type of griefing. ... This was all I could find on that so far. most excellent news, lets hope this happens soon !

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