This is stupid
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Mizzie LeMay
Registered User
Join date: 6 Dec 2004
Posts: 16
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01-13-2005 13:20
Ok fine, since my words have been twisted, deliberatly taken out of context and aparently I'm a "fool," I'll delete my post. Obviously it's unacceptable to have an opinion varying from what the Linden Lab says and I will try not to have another.
For the most part I enjoy SL, aside from the countless times it's frozen up on me or just crashed, not to mention a "new version" every other day and people who feel resorting to name-calling is the best way to handle conflicting opinions. Obviously the thing to do here is mearly shut off all my sensabilities and swallow whatever you all have to tell me.
Thank you for the lesson in SL, this was vary eye-opening, to say the least.
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Isablan Neva
Mystic
Join date: 27 Nov 2004
Posts: 2,907
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Were you on last night?
01-13-2005 13:23
Plenty of events, money balls and raffle balls were rolling. Nothing has changed. In fact, the event calendar looked exactly the way it always does...
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Alan Palmerstone
Payment Info Used
Join date: 4 Jun 2004
Posts: 659
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01-13-2005 13:49
From: Isablan Neva Plenty of events, money balls and raffle balls were rolling. Nothing has changed. In fact, the event calendar looked exactly the way it always does... Event support is still in effect until the 17th, I believe.
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
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01-13-2005 13:49
I think you may be confused by these changes. The weekly stipends are not being cut in half. The BONUS portion of the weekly stipends are getting reduced by 50%. Out of curiosity, what was the amount of your bonus last week? The increase of the rating cost was done to discourage the abuse of the rating system. The system was not intended to be used by triple rating every person you meet in a club. But that is what it evolved into. Stipends are indeed effected by the amount of ratings a person has. As far as the $L not being worth anything, check out this site. Land in SL is also directly tied to the value of the $L. http://gamingopenmarket.com/As far as free money not coming out of anyone's pocket....I disagree. While other player's do not pay you this money, we are paying for it. If the $L devalues because of excess $L in the system, we all pay for it. There are many ways to get $L easily, without having a "job". The easiest is to upgrade to a $9.95 per month premium account. That allows you to own 512m2 and gets you a cool $500L + bonuses per week.
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Tread Whiplash
Crazy Crafter
Join date: 25 Dec 2004
Posts: 291
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01-13-2005 13:50
From: Mizzie LeMay Ok, I have read and re-read all the reasons for the changes to SL. I've gone over both the pros and cons and have come to this conclusion: It's stupid.
Everyone keeps going on and on about the economy of SL, how less money will make the money you have worth more, bla, bla. True, that's the way it works in real life. But... news flash: THIS ISN'T REAL LIFE!
Get a grip, it's a game! People play this for fun!.....
Mizzie - Your logic is no good here, please move to the back of the Bus.  Take care, --Noel "HB" Wade (Tread Whiplash)
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Psyra Extraordinaire
Corra Nacunda Chieftain
Join date: 24 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,533
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01-13-2005 13:53
Actually, although Lindens are indeed not real, they /do/ have value and can be exchanged for real $$ and vice-versa.
I'm sure if it wasn't for THAT, then other methods for "economy control" could have been used. But since it is like that, LL has acted "in the best interests of SL", which of course means the opinion between the *users* will be split.
"You can please some people some of the time, but you can't please all people all of the time."
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Alby Yellowknife
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,148
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01-13-2005 13:56
I'm too lazy to respond to this fool...
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Moleculor Satyr
Fireflies!
Join date: 5 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,650
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01-13-2005 14:00
From: Mizzie LeMay Maybe cutting the weekly stipend in half is fine for people who don't buy anything or people who have been here a long time and have a lot of L$ saved up. But I just joined about a month ago and I have next to nothing. Frankly, I was saving up for a few items and this will be hard. Yes, I know it's "free money", so to speak, but since it doesn't come out of anyone's pocket, who cares? 1. All that "free money" you were getting? The more you got, the higher prices would rise, which would mean you could buy less with more money. 2. By cutting stipends AND raising the cost of ratings, money will be leeched out of the system. Store owners will see that their sales are dropping because people can't afford their (higher than they were months ago) prices, and drop them. Which means those things you're saving up for? They'll be affordable when the prices come down in a bit. 3. Unless you're a higher than average user of SL, the most you'll be losing per week is L$38 or so. Is that REALLY that big of a hit?
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
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01-13-2005 14:02
Mizzie, while you speak from your perspective and that IS appreciated, many people exist in Second Life for many different reasons. So your opinions on this I do respect, but there are many others to consider. Second Life to me IS a game... and it is ALSO more. Social experiment, thriving ground for zaniness and making friends and finding love, deeply committed business (in the sense of honor and loyalty, not necessary commerce), and some sort of diversified futurehumanist neoprojection... it is many, many things to me. And to my fellow avatars. Some people have little time or committment for SL and they "hop-and-pop" every now and then. Others, you'll see every day, seriously pondering ideas of where this is all leading -- NOT to some singular point in the timeline, but rather, a continuing journey of adventures. From: Mizzie LeMay So, the point? IF IT'S NOT BROKE, DON'T FIX IT
Another adage could apply: If it's not broken, better it!Improvement -- referring generally to versioning up -- is where it's at in these climes of progressive change: not redundant stagnation. While in the short-term, this may seem disturbing, the long-term forecast may be quite different. 
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Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,097
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01-13-2005 14:04
For someone that read and read and reread everything you might have tried to get the facts right....stipends arent being halved.....Me thinks the teen grid started early 
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Dragon Stryker
Destroyer of Heavens
Join date: 4 Jun 2004
Posts: 156
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01-13-2005 14:10
From: Mizzie LeMay ...
Everyone keeps going on and on about the economy of SL, how less money will make the money you have worth more, bla, bla. True, that's the way it works in real life. But... news flash: THIS ISN'T REAL LIFE!
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This isn't FIRST LIFE, but it IS Second Life. If there were a story and a specified goal in SL, then I would consider it a game. But there isn't. SL is a persistant online world with real people playing all of the avatars. Sure people role play, but people do that in First Life as well. And like someone else said, the L$ does have real value as it's tied to the US Dollar. It is a form of currency. You may say "Yeah but it can only be used in SL." And to that I say "The Yen can only be used in Japan." Same difference. 
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Patrick Playfair
Registered User
Join date: 19 Jul 2004
Posts: 328
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01-13-2005 14:41
From: Mizzie LeMay Get a grip, it's a game! People play this for fun! Lindens aren't real, they aren't worth anything. The "powers-that-be" can put as much or as little into the game without costing them anything. What difference will it make to them if I get L$80 or L$80,000, it's mearly numbers. The objects, the money, it's all just pixels of a computer game, nothing more, nothing less. So why are they pissing everyone off and calling it good for the economy? The so-called economy is mearly a game as well.
Mizzie, just so you know, Linden dollars ARE worth something. In your example the difference between L$80 and L$80,000 is about $320.00 US Dollars. Check out www.gamingopenmarket.com . It will explain why to some people, these issues are so important. Personally, i think peeople are over-reacting and that little will change in-game. Patrick Playfair
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Digby Boffin
Registered User
Join date: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 29
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01-13-2005 16:38
From: Schwanson Schlegel I think you may be confused by these changes. The weekly stipends are not being cut in half. The BONUS portion of the weekly stipends are getting reduced by 50%. Out of curiosity, what was the amount of your bonus last week? The increase of the rating cost was done to discourage the abuse of the rating system. The system was not intended to be used by triple rating every person you meet in a club. But that is what it evolved into. Stipends are indeed effected by the amount of ratings a person has. As far as the $L not being worth anything, check out this site. Land in SL is also directly tied to the value of the $L. http://gamingopenmarket.com/As far as free money not coming out of anyone's pocket....I disagree. While other player's do not pay you this money, we are paying for it. If the $L devalues because of excess $L in the system, we all pay for it. There are many ways to get $L easily, without having a "job". The easiest is to upgrade to a $9.95 per month premium account. That allows you to own 512m2 and gets you a cool $500L + bonuses per week. and then he goes on with an advertizement to buy whole island sims... Yeah this guy will suffer from this new ruling... *rolls eyes*
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Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,097
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01-13-2005 16:52
From: Digby Boffin and then he goes on with an advertizement to buy whole island sims... Yeah this guy will suffer from this new ruling... *rolls eyes* Quit whining gimp....Every one of us started broke and didn't know anything ....but we learned and have grown. Everyone that has been here for a while has gone through one change or more in second life that everyone said hurt the poor or fucked the non land owner. Just because you can't get your shit together like everyone else doesn't mean that those who have should put up with your dumb ass....Heres a tip ....stop looking for handouts and make your own way or shut the fuck up because no one here gives a fuck if you can;t have your way.
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Digby Boffin
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Join date: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 29
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01-13-2005 16:57
From: Talen Morgan Quit whining gimp....Every one of us started broke and didn't know anything ....but we learned and have grown. Everyone that has been here for a while has gone through one change or more in second life that everyone said hurt the poor or fucked the non land owner.
Just because you can't get your shit together like everyone else doesn't mean that those who have should put up with your dumb ass....Heres a tip ....stop looking for handouts and make your own way or shut the fuck up because no one here gives a fuck if you can;t have your way. Goodness what an eloquent way of expressing yourself. This is just the kind of cretin that give SL a bad name. Some of us aren't looking for handouts, and I for one don't mind that the stipend is now halved. But increasing the rating price from 1L to 25L? If you're too stupid to see the problem behind this then you're even more hopeless than I'm told.
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Pendari Lorentz
Senior Member
Join date: 5 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,372
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01-13-2005 16:58
*Runs for RA position in Neualt on behalf of the Moderate People's Party* *gives main reason as* I don't say Fuck as much as Talen does! 
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Cross Lament
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Join date: 20 Mar 2004
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01-13-2005 16:58
From: Patrick Playfair Mizzie, just so you know, Linden dollars ARE worth something. In your example the difference between L$80 and L$80,000 is about $320.00 US Dollars. Check out www.gamingopenmarket.com . It will explain why to some people, these issues are so important. Personally, i think peeople are over-reacting and that little will change in-game. Patrick Playfair Personally, I feel this is one of the problems, giving the L$ any sort of real-world value. I really didn't come here to get involved in an economic simulation.  I just can't wait until the IRS gets wind of all this... 
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Jonquille Noir
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Join date: 17 Jan 2004
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01-13-2005 17:01
From: Digby Boffin Goodness what an eloquent way of expressing yourself. This is just the kind of cretin that give SL a bad name. Some of us aren't looking for handouts, and I for one don't mind that the stipend is now halved. But increasing the rating price from 1L to 25L? If you're too stupid to see the problem behind this then you're even more hopeless than I'm told. Yeah, that wasn't mature, like rolling your eyes or anything.
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Talen Morgan
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Join date: 2 Apr 2004
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01-13-2005 17:03
From: Pendari Lorentz *Runs for RA position in Neualt on behalf of the Moderate People's Party* *gives main reason as* I don't say Fuck as much as Talen does!  You may not say it but you sure do think it a lot 
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Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,097
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01-13-2005 17:08
From: Digby Boffin Goodness what an eloquent way of expressing yourself. This is just the kind of cretin that give SL a bad name. Some of us aren't looking for handouts, and I for one don't mind that the stipend is now halved. But increasing the rating price from 1L to 25L? If you're too stupid to see the problem behind this then you're even more hopeless than I'm told. You should hear me when I really get going...I take it you haven't met Darko yet either Actually you're the stupid one gimp....take a look around....see anyone throwing a pity party for your whiny ass? Didn't think so. Ratings are the problem and not only should the price be raised even more they should be eliminated completely. Let me guess how many rates you have.....500-1000 I would bet . You see those of us that have been here for a while and haven't been rate whores are only losing about $75 a week...so yes we don't care. For you to slam other residents because they have done well and you are too retarded to do the same is just complete bullshit so basically if you act like a fucktard you'll be treated like one.
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Jeska Linden
Administrator
Join date: 26 Jul 2004
Posts: 2,388
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01-13-2005 17:38
As this thread was apparently created solely to throw personal attacks around and there’s no obvious constructive discussion going on, I am closing it.
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