Second Life Forums Archive - Abuse Report those who scare away new players and new ideas

blaze Spinnaker

1/2 Serious

Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

01-31-2005 15:51

It seems to me that there is a number of people who react very rudely to new players when they post simple(if naive) questions in the forums.

They also respond very rudely to those who post new ideas which, while a bit risky, have an opportunity to push the community forward.

This negativity simply scares new players and new ideas away because people do not want to be involved in a hostile community that seems to thrive on resentment, anger, and shouting each other down with a constant barrage of sniping and insults.

A number of the silent majority has told me the best way to deal with these posters is just to abuse report and ignore.

Well, I agree with this practice. And I encourage those lurkers to also abuse report the constant attacking of any attempt to bring a fresh perspective into SL.

This does not mean people who disagree. It means people who show little respect for fellow posters in these forums.

Hopefully we can eventually drive these people out.

No doubt a number of those who thrive on the anger I mentioned above will reply to this message as their existence is being threatened.

Their complaints will be short, pointless insults that have nothing do with encouraging new players, new ideas, and new positive energy into SecondLife.

Consider abuse reporting them.

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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Lance LeFay

is a Thug

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 1,488

01-31-2005 16:07

Honestly, blaze, can you go 24 hours without griping about something?

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Zuzi Martinez

goth dachshund

Join date: 4 Sep 2004

Posts: 1,860

01-31-2005 16:37

just be sure what you abuse report is actually against a rule or you're abusing the report system and wasting Linden time. i'd hate to see someone get in trouble for filing false reports or griefing through abuse reports if their heart is in the right place.

hopefully this advice doesn't count as "attacking of any attempt to bring a fresh perspective into SL".

Ferran Brodsky

Better living through rum

Join date: 3 Feb 2004

Posts: 821

01-31-2005 16:38

Abuse reporting is already woefully abused

Reitsuki Kojima

Witchhunter

Join date: 27 Jan 2004

Posts: 5,328

01-31-2005 16:58

From: Ferran Brodsky

Abuse reporting is already woefully abused

If I recall, abuse of the abuse report system is abuse akin to being abuse reported yourself.

Or something along those lines.

Devlin Gallant

Thought Police

Join date: 18 Jun 2003

Posts: 5,948

01-31-2005 22:38

*Looks down guiltily at his feet.*

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Nolan Nash

Frischer Frosch

Join date: 15 May 2003

Posts: 7,141

01-31-2005 23:12

Blaze wouldn't be comfy here in the forums unless he bitched. It's the only way to even up the score in his mind. Blaze, we're sorry we have been here longer than you. If someday you can get past this, I offer you my first born daughter. Will that suffice?

Bitch on blaze. We're listening. I have no clue how SL made it 1.5 years without your police action. Thank you for repeatedly pointing out the fact that people vent on the forums, yourself included.

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Torley Linden

Enlightenment!

Join date: 15 Sep 2004

Posts: 16,530

02-01-2005 06:39

I have been disappointed to hear newcomers scared off from reading the SL Forums. I joke about it sometimes, but I do hear the sentiment expressed more than rarely that this can be a scary and hurtful place to be, especially if one takes it too seriously.

All I can continue to do is be openminded and warm to welcoming newbies and encouraging them to explore the wonders of Second Life. I'm not a preacher, but perhaps I am a purveyor of funny craziness that couples with friendly cuddliness.

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Catherine Cotton

Tis Elfin

Join date: 2 Apr 2003

Posts: 3,001

02-01-2005 06:48

From: Torley Torgeson

I have been disappointed to hear newcomers scared off from reading the SL Forums. I joke about it sometimes, but I do hear the sentiment expressed more than rarely that this can be a scary and hurtful place to be, especially if one takes it too seriously.

All I can continue to do is be openminded and warm to welcoming newbies and encouraging them to explore the wonders of Second Life. I'm not a preacher, but perhaps I am a purveyor of funny craziness that couples with friendly cuddliness.

here, here well said, and agreed

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feniks Stone

At the End of the World

Join date: 25 Nov 2002

Posts: 787

02-01-2005 09:07

Is a forum post about using abuse reporting as a manipulation tool to get others to silence those who's post the original poster does not like reportable as abuse?

Sounds almost like a call for group negging....

fen-

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Chip Midnight

ate my baby!

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 10,231

02-01-2005 09:59

From: blaze Spinnaker

It seems to me that there is a number of people who react very rudely to new players when they post simple(if naive) questions in the forums.

They also respond very rudely to those who post new ideas which, while a bit risky, have an opportunity to push the community forward.

This negativity simply scares new players and new ideas away because people do not want to be involved in a hostile community that seems to thrive on resentment, anger, and shouting each other down with a constant barrage of sniping and insults.

I agree with you here Blaze. This does happen, though it's in no way unique to SL. It happens in every forum, everywhere, all the time.

From: someone

A number of the silent majority has told me the best way to deal with these posters is just to abuse report and ignore.

Well, I agree with this practice. And I encourage those lurkers to also abuse report the constant attacking of any attempt to bring a fresh perspective into SL.

This is where you go all wrong. Abuse reporting is not the answer at all. As others have said it simply wastes the Lindens time. They aren't babysitters. The best way to deal with this problem is to have a thick skin and a sturdy spine and to make sure you aren't posting in a manner or tone that invites those kinds of responses.

From: someone

This does not mean people who disagree. It means people who show little respect for fellow posters in these forums.

Hopefully we can eventually drive these people out.

Yep, and hopefully some day everyone will always skip along merrily shooting flowers out of their butts. It's nice to dream, but it's more useful to accept reality and not let it be a deterrant to speaking your mind.

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Shadow Weaver

Ancient

Join date: 13 Jan 2003

Posts: 2,808

02-01-2005 10:03

I echo Chips sentiment in this last post...

Shadow

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Lecktor Hannibal

YOUR MOM

Join date: 1 Jul 2004

Posts: 6,734

02-01-2005 10:10

Nice post Chip! I am going off to script the flower shooting butt now thanks for the idea. 5% profits coming your way

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From: Khamon Fate

Oh, Lecktor, you're terrible.

Bikers have more fun than people !

Abuse Report those who scare away new players and new ideas
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	01-31-2005 15:51 It seems to me that there is a number of people who react very rudely to new players when they post simple(if naive) questions in the forums. They also respond very rudely to those who post new ideas which, while a bit risky, have an opportunity to push the community forward. This negativity simply scares new players and new ideas away because people do not want to be involved in a hostile community that seems to thrive on resentment, anger, and shouting each other down with a constant barrage of sniping and insults. A number of the silent majority has told me the best way to deal with these posters is just to abuse report and ignore. Well, I agree with this practice. And I encourage those lurkers to also abuse report the constant attacking of any attempt to bring a fresh perspective into SL. This does not mean people who disagree. It means people who show little respect for fellow posters in these forums. Hopefully we can eventually drive these people out. No doubt a number of those who thrive on the anger I mentioned above will reply to this message as their existence is being threatened. Their complaints will be short, pointless insults that have nothing do with encouraging new players, new ideas, and new positive energy into SecondLife. Consider abuse reporting them. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Lance LeFay is a Thug Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 1,488	01-31-2005 16:07 Honestly, blaze, can you go 24 hours without griping about something? _____________________ "Hoochie Hair is high on my list" - Andrew Linden "Adorable is 'they pay me to say you are cute'" -Barnesworth Anubis
Zuzi Martinez goth dachshund Join date: 4 Sep 2004 Posts: 1,860	01-31-2005 16:37 just be sure what you abuse report is actually against a rule or you're abusing the report system and wasting Linden time. i'd hate to see someone get in trouble for filing false reports or griefing through abuse reports if their heart is in the right place. hopefully this advice doesn't count as "attacking of any attempt to bring a fresh perspective into SL".
Ferran Brodsky Better living through rum Join date: 3 Feb 2004 Posts: 821	01-31-2005 16:38 Abuse reporting is already woefully abused
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	01-31-2005 16:58 From: Ferran Brodsky Abuse reporting is already woefully abused If I recall, abuse of the abuse report system is abuse akin to being abuse reported yourself. Or something along those lines.
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	01-31-2005 22:38 Looks down guiltily at his feet. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Nolan Nash Frischer Frosch Join date: 15 May 2003 Posts: 7,141	01-31-2005 23:12 Blaze wouldn't be comfy here in the forums unless he bitched. It's the only way to even up the score in his mind. Blaze, we're sorry we have been here longer than you. If someday you can get past this, I offer you my first born daughter. Will that suffice? Bitch on blaze. We're listening. I have no clue how SL made it 1.5 years without your police action. Thank you for repeatedly pointing out the fact that people vent on the forums, yourself included. _____________________ “Time's fun when you're having flies.” ~Kermit
Torley Linden Enlightenment! Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 16,530	02-01-2005 06:39 I have been disappointed to hear newcomers scared off from reading the SL Forums. I joke about it sometimes, but I do hear the sentiment expressed more than rarely that this can be a scary and hurtful place to be, especially if one takes it too seriously. All I can continue to do is be openminded and warm to welcoming newbies and encouraging them to explore the wonders of Second Life. I'm not a preacher, but perhaps I am a purveyor of funny craziness that couples with friendly cuddliness. _____________________
Catherine Cotton Tis Elfin Join date: 2 Apr 2003 Posts: 3,001	02-01-2005 06:48 From: Torley Torgeson I have been disappointed to hear newcomers scared off from reading the SL Forums. I joke about it sometimes, but I do hear the sentiment expressed more than rarely that this can be a scary and hurtful place to be, especially if one takes it too seriously. All I can continue to do is be openminded and warm to welcoming newbies and encouraging them to explore the wonders of Second Life. I'm not a preacher, but perhaps I am a purveyor of funny craziness that couples with friendly cuddliness. here, here well said, and agreed _____________________
feniks Stone At the End of the World Join date: 25 Nov 2002 Posts: 787	02-01-2005 09:07 Is a forum post about using abuse reporting as a manipulation tool to get others to silence those who's post the original poster does not like reportable as abuse? Sounds almost like a call for group negging.... fen- _____________________ the gypsy that remains..
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	02-01-2005 09:59 From: blaze Spinnaker It seems to me that there is a number of people who react very rudely to new players when they post simple(if naive) questions in the forums. They also respond very rudely to those who post new ideas which, while a bit risky, have an opportunity to push the community forward. This negativity simply scares new players and new ideas away because people do not want to be involved in a hostile community that seems to thrive on resentment, anger, and shouting each other down with a constant barrage of sniping and insults. I agree with you here Blaze. This does happen, though it's in no way unique to SL. It happens in every forum, everywhere, all the time. From: someone A number of the silent majority has told me the best way to deal with these posters is just to abuse report and ignore. Well, I agree with this practice. And I encourage those lurkers to also abuse report the constant attacking of any attempt to bring a fresh perspective into SL. This is where you go all wrong. Abuse reporting is not the answer at all. As others have said it simply wastes the Lindens time. They aren't babysitters. The best way to deal with this problem is to have a thick skin and a sturdy spine and to make sure you aren't posting in a manner or tone that invites those kinds of responses. From: someone This does not mean people who disagree. It means people who show little respect for fellow posters in these forums. Hopefully we can eventually drive these people out. Yep, and hopefully some day everyone will always skip along merrily shooting flowers out of their butts. It's nice to dream, but it's more useful to accept reality and not let it be a deterrant to speaking your mind. _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
Shadow Weaver Ancient Join date: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 2,808	02-01-2005 10:03 I echo Chips sentiment in this last post... Shadow _____________________ Everyone here is an adult. This ain't DisneyLand, and Mickey Mouse isn't going to swat you with a stick if you say "holy crapola."<Pathfinder Linden> New Worlds new Adventures Formerly known as Jade Wolf my business name has now changed to Dragon Shadow. Im me in world for Locations of my apparrel Online Authorized Trademark Licensed Apparel http://www.cafepress.com/slvisions OR Visit The Website @ www.slvisions.com
Lecktor Hannibal YOUR MOM Join date: 1 Jul 2004 Posts: 6,734	02-01-2005 10:10 Nice post Chip! I am going off to script the flower shooting butt now thanks for the idea. 5% profits coming your way _____________________ YOUR MOM says, 'Come visit us at SC MKII http://secondcitizen.net ' From: Khamon Fate Oh, Lecktor, you're terrible. Bikers have more fun than people !

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