here is an interesting article fraught with thought provoking stuff:
http://komonews.com/stories/35494.htm
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Ursa Falcone
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03-04-2005 06:58
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Rose Karuna
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03-04-2005 07:18
This makes no sense at all to me. What ever happened to personal responsibility or for that matter parential responsibility?
If you think that a game is too violent for your kid then don't let them play it. I remember when my Mom would not let me watch the 3 Stooges because she thought it was too violent. Nevertheless, had I bonked one of my playmates on the head and poked them in the eyes 3 Stooges style my parents would have held me responsible, not the 3 Stooges. _____________________
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Artillo Fredericks
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03-04-2005 08:28
Remember back in the 80's when the PMRC tried to say that someone could sue a person because their kid killed himself after listening to some Ozzy or Judas Priest lyrics??? never went anywhere did it, except those retarded labels. Ditto should go for games.
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Olympia Rebus
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03-04-2005 08:59
Remember back in the 80's when the PMRC tried to say that someone could sue a person because their kid killed himself after listening to some Ozzy or Judas Priest lyrics??? never went anywhere did it, except those retarded labels. Ditto should go for games. I remember that. Two delequent brats went on a destructive spree that ended with shotgun suicides. Except one of them "only" blew his lower jaw off. The mom tried to blame it on their Judas Priest records (never mind that all the other Judas Priest fans weren't going on shotgun benders). It went to court, though I'm pretty sure they didn't collect any damages. I have trouble believing violent videogames/movies/comics/music is brainwashing normal kids into becoming murderous psychopaths. As Rose said: This makes no sense at all to me. What ever happened to personal responsibility or for that matter parential responsibility? _____________________
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Artillo Fredericks
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03-04-2005 09:19
Yeppers it all boils down to being a GOOD PARENT.
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Chip Midnight
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03-04-2005 09:35
Blah, people are so stupid. Always wanting to point blame at the most simple minded reason. If only those kids in Littleton hadn't played so much Doom they wouldn't have shot up their highschool. Riiiigggghhhht. I'm sure they were well adjusted angels before the evil video game turned them into mindless killing machines. If we just put the ten commandments up in every school everyone will be better behaved (and there'll be a lot less oxen coveting!). It's all rubbish. Lawmakers who propose this kind of tripe should be thrown out of office for wasting everyon's time and money. It's like the furor over the movie Million Dollar Baby. All these moralists are up in arms because the movie is about mercy killing and euthenasia. Where's the uproar over the eleventy thousand movies about vigilante revenge killings? Most of the people who are outraged by that movie probably support the death penalty. Simple minded twits.
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Roberta Dalek
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03-04-2005 10:54
Blah, people are so stupid. Always wanting to point blame at the most simple minded reason. If only those kids in Littleton hadn't played so much Doom they wouldn't have shot up their highschool. Riiiigggghhhht. I'm sure they were well adjusted angels before the evil video game turned them into mindless killing machines. If we just put the ten commandments up in every school everyone will be better behaved (and there'll be a lot less oxen coveting!). It's all rubbish. Lawmakers who propose this kind of tripe should be thrown out of office for wasting everyon's time and money. It's like the furor over the movie Million Dollar Baby. All these moralists are up in arms because the movie is about mercy killing and euthenasia. Where's the uproar over the eleventy thousand movies about vigilante revenge killings? Most of the people who are outraged by that movie probably support the death penalty. Simple minded twits. yes agreed. We have age stickers on video games here. Often the people who watched the video or game were below the age sticker. Is this the fault of the game - or of the parents? The game Manhunt was blamed by the parents of someone murdered. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3936597.stm Sales then increase. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3535268.stm Blair then sees easy headlines. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/3659120.stm "This game should not be played by children" says politician. "Yes that's why it has an 18 certificate", says everyone else pointing out the obvious. |
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Xtopherxaos Ixtab
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03-04-2005 10:58
Remember "it takes a village to raise a child"? Now it seems that this phrase and mindset has given parents license to expect their child's upbringing to come from every other source than themselves.
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Camille Serpentine
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03-04-2005 11:11
<snip> It's like the furor over the movie Million Dollar Baby. All these moralists are up in arms because the movie is about mercy killing and euthenasia. It's because somehow people have the wacky idea that suffering from a disease or accident with no hope of recovery is some how noble, puts you in a state of grace, and is a desirable way to live life. My mom cries all the time now because she can't serve herself food, wipe her own mouth, blow her own nose, use the toilet, or even wipe away her own tears. Nothing will make her better - i know this, my dad knows this, she knows this. Yet somehow people get this notion she can live a productive life? How the F*ck can she? She can't do anything she loves to do.... <end rant> Where's the uproar over the eleventy thousand movies about vigilante revenge killings? Or all the Law&Order, CSI, crime crap spewing on tv? I admit I used to love to watch Law&Order, but it's so graphic now I can't watch. And it or variations of it are on all channels, all the time. and then I worry because a lot of those shows are based on real cases.... _____________________
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Liona Clio
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03-04-2005 11:14
Video games, shock rock, D&D and their variants will *always* be blamed for tragedies. Why? Because people need to have something to blame. THey can't blame actual *people*, especially people who actually had influence on the outcome...that would be insensitive. But a big nasty looking persona like Marilyn Manson or a non-entity like DOOM is an easy scapegoat.
Just be thankful we're not using real people as scapegoats, like the Nazi party did. _____________________
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Lianne Marten
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03-04-2005 11:15
If you ever watch the movie Bowling for Columbine be sure to pay attention to Marylin Manson's interview in it. He is the most coherent person in the movie and what he says makes the most sense.
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Chip Midnight
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03-04-2005 11:18
If you ever watch the movie Bowling for Columbine be sure to pay attention to Marylin Manson's interview in it. He is the most coherent person in the movie and what he says makes the most sense. I agree Lianne. It's a great interview and his comments are incredibly insightful and on target. _____________________
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Lianne Marten
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03-04-2005 11:44
On a tangentally related note:
http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=2989614&nav=EQlpWjof http://www.wftv.com/education/4232606/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=irresistible I'm glad i'm not in high school anymore... and not just because it was a horrible horrible experience. [edit] And on another tangentally related note... I look really hot in a tuxedo  _____________________
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Zuzi Martinez
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03-04-2005 13:42
I remember that. Two delequent brats went on a destructive spree that ended with shotgun suicides. Except one of them "only" blew his lower jaw off. The mom tried to blame it on their Judas Priest records breakin' the jaw! breakin' the jaw! _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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03-04-2005 13:47
Holy shit! That's just completely insane. That poor kid! "My story is based on fiction," said Poole, who faces a second-degree felony terrorist threatening charge. "It's a fake story. I made it up. I've been working on one of my short stories, (and) the short story they found was about zombies. Yes, it did say a high school. It was about a high school over ran by zombies." Even so, police say the nature of the story makes it a felony. "Anytime you make any threat or possess matter involving a school or function it's a felony in the state of Kentucky," said Winchester Police detective Steven Caudill. Poole disputes that he was threatening anyone. "It didn't mention nobody who lives in Clark County, didn't mention (George Rogers Clark High School), didn't mention no principal or cops, nothing," said Poole. "Half the people at high school know me. They know I'm not that stupid, that crazy." On Thursday, a judge raised Poole's bond from one to five thousand dollars after prosecutors requested it, citing the seriousness of the charge." He could be a zombie collaborator! I swear we live in Stupidland. _____________________
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
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03-04-2005 13:55
If you ever watch the movie Bowling for Columbine be sure to pay attention to Marylin Manson's interview in it. He is the most coherent person in the movie and what he says makes the most sense. Yeah... he was very calm in that movie, and I liked how he emphasized for people to LISTEN. _____________________
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Rose Karuna
Lizard Doctor
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03-04-2005 15:06
On a tangentally related note: http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=2989614&nav=EQlpWjof http://www.wftv.com/education/4232606/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=irresistible I'm glad i'm not in high school anymore... and not just because it was a horrible horrible experience. [edit] And on another tangentally related note... I look really hot in a tuxedo I guess in Kentucky it's all right for the County Prosecutor to get a DUI and still stay the county prosecutor (see County Prosecutor Pleads Guilty To DUI) but damn don't you dare write a fictional story about terrorism or a troubled kid. I understand the schools alarm and even looking into the motives of the kid who wrote the story but once it had been established that there was no intent to shoot up the school then the charges should have been dropped and he should have been returned home. Instead they increase the bail. It makes sense to me that a teenager would want to understand the motives of someone who whould do something like the kids did at Columbine. An exercise in understanding that would be to write a story. Why are they [the prosecutors] so dense? Your right - I'm very glad that I'm no longer in school. _____________________
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