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*Someone Has To Be . . .*
Join date: 25 Nov 2004
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01-11-2005 13:49
Ok LL how come you are making all these choices without our idea's in them. The last time I checked, we are the ones paying for this game and we are the ones playing it. I think I can say at least 75% of SL is very mad about these changes and think they are unneeded. Now i know there are many posts out there already about this but I think there should be a million of them to show how much we care about this game and how much we love how it is.
I might be a new comer to SL but i have played many games (online ones) before this and you guys run the show a lot different, I can see. I would like to know why we weren't included in this? Why we didn't have a say. Please answer me because I would like to know.
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Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
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01-11-2005 13:52
Sigh.... a long time a go we were promissed that this was our world and we would shape the changes. That too was apparently another lie.
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Alby Yellowknife
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,148
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01-11-2005 13:54
From: Catherine Cotton Sigh.... a long time a go we were promissed that this was our world and we would shape the changes. That too was apparently another lie. Yup... The New World Order is (Money)... Money is at the top of the list and Creative Artist are at the bottom. Hey you lost one of your people, I found them outside of the Currency Exchange. 
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
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01-11-2005 13:54
These changes have been suggested by users for quite a while now. It is what is best for SL's economy and LL's bottom line.
The only change that baffles me is the ads on Ebay....and that may not be so bad either.
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Magnum Serpentine
Registered User
Join date: 20 Nov 2003
Posts: 1,811
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01-11-2005 13:56
From: TheBest Page Ok LL how come you are making all these choices without our idea's in them. The last time I checked, we are the ones paying for this game and we are the ones playing it. I think I can say at least 75% of SL is very mad about these changes and think they are unneeded. Now i know there are many posts out there already about this but I think there should be a million of them to show how much we care about this game and how much we love how it is.
I might be a new comer to SL but i have played many games (online ones) before this and you guys run the show a lot different, I can see. I would like to know why we weren't included in this? Why we didn't have a say. Please answer me because I would like to know. You can thank the Vocal Minority for forcing the Lindens to make these un-needed changes
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Magnum Serpentine
Registered User
Join date: 20 Nov 2003
Posts: 1,811
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01-11-2005 13:57
From: Schwanson Schlegel These changes have been suggested by users for quite a while now. It is what is best for SL's economy and LL's bottom line.
The only change that baffles me is the ads on Ebay....and that may not be so bad either. Suggested by the vocal minority you mean
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*Someone Has To Be . . .*
Join date: 25 Nov 2004
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01-11-2005 13:58
From: Schwanson Schlegel These changes have been suggested by users for quite a while now. It is what is best for SL's economy and LL's bottom line.
The only change that baffles me is the ads on Ebay....and that may not be so bad either. You might think like that but MOST of SL doesn't... so who would you like to please, The Protesting Bunch of people or the 25% of the people who want a better/new economy?
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Alby Yellowknife
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
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01-11-2005 14:02
From: TheBest Page You might think like that but MOST of SL doesn't... so who would you like to please, The Protesting Bunch of people or the 25% of the people who want a better/new economy? The Protesters are a joke. Somebody call the police and tell'm to spray some tear gas and maybe they'll go away and let the IMF, WTO, and such get back to work on making SL better. 
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Milo Bukowski
Lag-induced oversteer
Join date: 23 Dec 2003
Posts: 305
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01-11-2005 14:02
We don't own Linden Lab. No successful business is run by its customers. If they listened to me I'd have a private island for free. They do what they need to make Second Life profitable for the short and long term. LL has access to data we don't, and they have their visions and long term plans.
This is a change which will affect the economy, and possibly even for the good. If the resulting economy affects your experience, then vote with your wallet. Tier down, sell your land, scale back to the one-time $10 basic account. Hopefully LL will get the idea and tweak things if that happens.
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Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
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01-11-2005 14:03
The ppl posting to the fourms are 10% of the population - PHILIP LINDEN
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Chloe Platini
MEOW
Join date: 16 Sep 2004
Posts: 332
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01-11-2005 14:04
From: Alby Yellowknife Yup... The New World Order is (Money)... Money is at the top of the list and Creative Artist are at the bottom. Hey you lost one of your people, I found them outside of the Currency Exchange.  lmao Creative Artists are at the Bottom ... hmm i think if people will stop buying the "creative artists" stuff u wont be getting much money ....
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Alby Yellowknife
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,148
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01-11-2005 14:05
From: Chloe Platini lmao Creative Artists are at the Bottom ... hmm i think if people will stop buying the "creative artists" stuff u wont be getting much money .... Damn it woman.. I thought I told you to put down that sign and pick up a brief case.
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Weedy Herbst
Too many parameters
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,255
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01-11-2005 14:05
I don't know if the changes will be good or bad.
I do know that LL has created alot of discord amongst the community. That's worse for SL than economic issues.
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Jay Knox
Founder Knox Enterprises
Join date: 29 Mar 2004
Posts: 187
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01-11-2005 14:06
From: Magnum Serpentine Suggested by the vocal minority you mean Magnum you keep on with the vocal minority posts... I am curious how come the majority of people weren't vocal for the past several months when these things have been hashed out over and over in these forums, yet so many of those contesting the changes are posting rampantly now who were no where to be seen over that time. Some prefer to be proactive rather then reactive. Minority it may have been, but at the same time it's all the feedback LL gets. Even though i know better, wouldn't it be great if these coming changes actually sparked more user input via the tools we have (i.e. forums and email to LL)?
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Jay Knox
Founder Knox Enterprises
Join date: 29 Mar 2004
Posts: 187
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01-11-2005 14:08
From: Weedy Herbst I don't know if the changes will be good or bad.
I do know that LL has created alot of discord amongst the community. That's worse for SL than economic issues. its the community itself who is creating the chaos. Those who are reacting to decisions without being informed. LL isn't creating the problem here, and i still firmly believe that they are actually trying to fix bigger issues that may be transparent to the general user who isn't staying informed.
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
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01-11-2005 14:11
From: TheBest Page You might think like that but MOST of SL doesn't... so who would you like to please, The Protesting Bunch of people or the 25% of the people who want a better/new economy? It is really basic economics. If the money supply in SL gets supersaturated w/ $L - the $USD value of the $L AND the inworld purchase power of the $L goes down. So if things where to continue without LL intervention...you may have more $L but will be able to buy less with that same amount. Make sense?
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Alby Yellowknife
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,148
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01-11-2005 14:26
From: Schwanson Schlegel It is really basic economics. If the money supply in SL gets supersaturated w/ $L - the $USD value of the $L AND the inworld purchase power of the $L goes down. So if things where to continue without LL intervention...you may have more $L but will be able to buy less with that same amount. Make sense? Dude, these hippies can understand that logic. All they can grasp is how a bic lighter works and will to apply the flame on the bong. Your speaking rocket science to these folks.
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Anakin Skye
Jedi Master
Join date: 6 Nov 2004
Posts: 33
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01-11-2005 14:28
I have to tell you... i had a good laugh at all this posts from people saying they will leave... saying they will now lower their tier... they are foolish and weak.
Go look at GOM... your lindens are now worth more... Linden lab bought about 2.5 million lindens out of gom yesterday.
Don’t you see it?... you are worried because you will get half or your stipend BONUS. But who cares if now your lindens are worth a lot more than they were before...
I sell Lindens at GOM. and in the past days i was really concerned about the linden dropping so quickly... eventually. 1000 lindens would be equal to 3 dollars... 2 dollars... 1 dollar....
So according to this crowd, Linden Lab was supposed to wait and see how the value of the linden dropped?...
Linden lab acted for the good of all of us… maybe you don’t see it now, but after a while you will understand the real purpose of this.
Let’s see the following scenario… LL does nothing… the L$ keeps dropping until virtually anyone is rich… what do you have?... you will have unmotivated club owners… unmotivated builders and scripters…
I know most of the people aren’t builders or scripters… or maybe they don’t have time to run a club… but trust me… clubs in second life are MONEY… clubs mean real money for the owners… and the tiny 1000 linden prices they offer on their events its just the tip of the iceberg… there are casinos inside the clubs, hundreds of vendors that pay weekly rents, not to mention escorts that are a great business… only those weak minded will stop hosting events because they wont get support from linden lab… the intelligent ones will keep hosting them… why? Because the real money is not in the prices… is in the people coming to your club, raising your dwell, buying from your vendors, playing your casino games, hiring your escorts… and then those people will bring more people… rinse… and repeat.
Believe it or not SL is about real money… SL is a business, just like any other MMORPG… it is a business for those who own the game and furthermore the ability so sell your lindens makes it a business for the players as well… I got a good laugh a few minutes ago when Artillo Fredericks said “BREATHE PEOPLE!!! Your fake VR world money is going nowhere LOL”…. That was so funny…
You see… the thing is that this is no longer fake money we are talking about… say that to me… I was able to purchase myself a REAL LIFE Nikon D70 Digital SLR Camera with my “fake money”.
SL is a business and it should be run as such. If its not… then forget about the fun of clubbing and building the place will just disappear. LL needs to make money out of it… and they are offering us the chance to make money as well…
Not everybody knows a computer language… not everybody is gifted enough to make amazing designs in Photoshop or perfect animations is poser… not everyone has the vision, knowledge and courage to start an escrow service like GOM and turn “fake money tradings” into real money… look they have traded over $0.7 million dollars worth of $L currency, and they charge something closer to 3%... so you do the math.
I strongly believe Linden lab is doing the right thing by controlling the sinks and sources… and by controlling the money flow… and as any economist knows, there are plenty of ways of doing so.
In any case… the market must be controlled if you want the economy to survive.
You can look at this policy change, think and make profit out of it… or you can just leave… and let others make money…
Anshe Chung just bought the pyramid mall in second life… see? She has vision… she knows how to take advantage of the fear of the crowd who knows nothing about the real thing.
I joined SL for the fun of a MMORPG that would give me freedom I had nowhere else… soon… I realized I could create stuff… and sell… it… there I was… with a bunch of lindens… then… I realized I could sell those in order to make real USD. So there I was… having fun… metting new people… making creative things… and making real money…
This is a good thing people… don’t panic… the linden is going up. And here is a real example for you… since I started warring about the linden dropping vs the dollar… I raised the prices at my vendors… now the linden is gaining strength… I dropped my prices in-world….
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
Posts: 5,948
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01-11-2005 21:17
From: TheBest Page Ok LL how come you are making all these choices without our idea's in them. The last time I checked, we are the ones paying for this game and we are the ones playing it. I think I can say at least 75% of SL is very mad about these changes and think they are unneeded. Now i know there are many posts out there already about this but I think there should be a million of them to show how much we care about this game and how much we love how it is.
I might be a new comer to SL but i have played many games (online ones) before this and you guys run the show a lot different, I can see. I would like to know why we weren't included in this? Why we didn't have a say. Please answer me because I would like to know. You may be a new comer, but you sound like a minor. If you are get out of my SL NOW!
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Devlin Gallant
Thought Police
Join date: 18 Jun 2003
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01-11-2005 21:19
From: Magnum Serpentine You can thank the Vocal Minority for forcing the Lindens to make these un-needed changes Careful Mag, you are starting to sound like an idiot again.
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